LastLegend wrote:Adamantine wrote:LastLegend wrote:
This will not suffice.
I was really speaking to the OP, I never expected you to agree that you are being puritanical and your arguments are simply rhetoric. I wonder how you developed such certainty about a topic which you clearly know nothing about. . . I guess it's human nature. Samasara.
This is a chance for you to educate me. Don't get me wrong. I have nothing against Vajrayana at all. But the practice of sex in the path is clearly not Buddha's teaching. You are welcome to argue against this point. I know that there are Vajrayana teachers out there who teach about visualization of a consort or dakini instead of the actual sex practice. This is accord with Buddha's teachings. Right now I am digging information about Geshe Acharya Thubten Loden.
You can believe what you want if it helps you sleep better at night. Basically all lineage masters practiced karmamudra. Guru Rinpoche, Mandarava, Yeshe Tsogyal, etc., Tilopa, Naropa, Marpa, Milarepa, Gompopa, Phagmo Drupa, etc., It's hard to find anyone responsible for the existence of Tibetan Buddhism in Tibet who did not practice karmamudra. Karmamudra is part and parcel of buddhist tantra. But that does't mean you have to practice it. There is karmamudra, samayamudra, dharmamudra and mahamudra. One can rest in the nature of the vajra, as in mahamudra, or join feeling to mahamudra as in tummo, or visualize consort as in deity yoga, or for those practitioner who require a basic concrete viceral introduction to the practice, then karmamudra. Actually, karmamudra is taught as a low level practitioner's tool.The highest capacity practitioners are introduced directly to mahamudra, and so on, in descending order. But, also even for high level practitioners, if they have difficulty bringing all five vayus into the central channel, then karmamudra will be employed. As in the case of Milarepa, this event happens to someone on the doorstep to buddhahood. Such a person is extremely advanced practitioner. And in such a case, dakinis and celestial beings can serve as the consort.