Can we ever really understand consciousness?

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Re: Can we ever really understand consciousness?

Postby padma norbu » Mon Jun 13, 2011 3:39 am

Well, I guess this is all too abstract for me. I bow out of another thread I started. Don't care anymore.
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Re: Can we ever really understand consciousness?

Postby adinatha » Mon Jun 13, 2011 3:45 am

CAW!

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Postby padma norbu » Mon Jun 13, 2011 4:35 am

Upper-division or graduate school doesn't negate freshman or elementary school teachings, brotherman. I get bored of going around in circles with you, as you often misunderstand me and never see where you've given erroneous advice until someone points it out and then you stick to your guns and disagree with, for example, the great Dzogchen master Namkhai Norbu... or explain it away casually like in the case with the 5 lights.

However, your efforts are appreciated, if not just done out of some weird egotistical need to be dharma man. It is just a little troubling to me that you're so verbal and then so much of what you say can be picked apart and turns into a debate. Maybe if you are trying to really help, it would help if you took the time to find a source and be specific with your language all the time instead of sometimes when you reach opposition from others.
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Re: Can we ever really understand consciousness?

Postby adinatha » Mon Jun 13, 2011 4:52 am

CAW!

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Re: Can we ever really understand consciousness?

Postby adinatha » Mon Jun 13, 2011 4:58 am

CAW!

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Re: Can we ever really understand consciousness?

Postby padma norbu » Mon Jun 13, 2011 5:05 am

"Use what seems like poison as medicine. We can use our personal suffering as the path to compassion for all beings." Pema Chodron

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Re: Can we ever really understand consciousness?

Postby padma norbu » Mon Jun 13, 2011 5:17 am

BTW, is this a bad translation? People seem to say his is the definitive translation and that he is a great translator.

"Buddha's Child, all Buddhas, the Bhagavans, have ten kinds of Wisdom produced single thought by single thought. What are these ten? All Buddhas can, in a single thought, appear to descend from heaven in infinite worlds. All Buddhas can, in a single thought, manifest birth as Bodhisattvas in infinite worlds. All Buddhas can, in a single thought, manifest renunciation of the mundane and study of the Way to liberation in infinite worlds. All Buddhas can, in a single thought, manifest attainment of the Perfect Correct Awakening under Bodhi-trees in infinite worlds. All Buddhas can, in a single thought, manifest turning wonderful Dharma- wheels in infinite worlds. All Buddhas can, in a single thought, manifest education of sentient beings and service of the Buddhas in infinite worlds. All Buddhas can, in a single thought, manifest untold variety of Buddha-bodies in infinite worlds. All Buddhas can, in a single thought, manifest all kinds of sublimes in infinite worlds, innumerable sublimes, the freedoms of the Thus Come Ones, and the treasury of omniscience. All Buddhas can, in a single thought, manifest countless pure beings in infinite worlds. All Buddhas can, in a single thought, manifest the Buddhas of past, present, and future in infinite worlds, with various faculties and characters, various diligences, and various practices and understandings, attaining the Perfect Correct Awakening in the past, present and future. These are the ten."

— Avatamsaka Sutra Translated into English by Thomas Cleary

BTW, if the Buddha couldn't think, how do you suppose he decided to produce Siddhartha Gautoma as a nirmanakaya emanation as a display in order to teach sentient beings?

PS - yes, I really am done with this thread. I have no desire to engage in any more discussion about this, these are just parting thoughts.
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Re: Can we ever really understand consciousness?

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Re: Can we ever really understand consciousness?

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Re: Can we ever really understand consciousness?

Postby gnegirl » Mon Jun 13, 2011 7:04 pm

:popcorn:
"Things are not what they appear to be: nor are they otherwise." --Surangama Sutra

Phenomenon, vast as space, dharmata is your base, arising and falling like ocean tide cycles, why do i cling to your illusion of unceasing changlessness?

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Re: Can we ever really understand consciousness?

Postby LastLegend » Mon Jun 13, 2011 11:00 pm

Consciousnesses (8 of them) are the effects of mind now. These are what we have now. When we become enlightenment, the effects of mind will be greater.
NAMO AMITABHA
NAM MO A DI DA PHAT (VIETNAMESE)
NAMO AMITUOFO (CHINESE)

Bodhidharma [my translation]
―I come to the East to transmit this clear knowing mind without constructing any dharma―

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Re: Can we ever really understand consciousness?

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Re: Can we ever really understand consciousness?

Postby username » Mon Jun 13, 2011 11:30 pm

One can take many teachers of opposing views and then contemplate for oneself and possibly change one's views through the years too. Also in any advanced level within any subject or discipline discussed by many, no teacher means mass diversions based on what's important to different people currently and mass confusion.
Dzogchen masters I know say: 1)Buddhist religion essence is Dzogchen 2)Religions are positive by intent/fruit 3)Any method's OK unless: breaking Dzogchen vows, mixed as syncretic (Milanese Soup) 4)Don't join mandalas of opponents of Dalai Lama/Padmasambhava: False Deity inventors by encouraging victims 5)Don't debate Ati with others 6)Don't discuss Ati practices online 7) A master told his old disciple: no one's to discuss his teaching with some others on a former forum nor mention him. Publicity's OK, questions are asked from masters/set teachers in person/email/non-public forums~Best wishes

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Re: Can we ever really understand consciousness?

Postby padma norbu » Tue Jun 14, 2011 5:27 am

"Use what seems like poison as medicine. We can use our personal suffering as the path to compassion for all beings." Pema Chodron

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