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omniscience of the Buddha

Postby cooran » Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:36 pm

Hello all,

Looking for Suttas and Classical explanations of the Omniscience of the Budda.

I lost my notes when I changed computers, and am hoping someone has the information I need.

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Re: omniscience of the Buddha

Postby retrofuturist » Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:42 pm

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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Re: omniscience of the Buddha

Postby cooran » Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:52 pm

Thanks Retro :clap:

There was another sutta and also Bhikkhu Bodhi's notes on the Sutta regarding just what Omniscience means with regard to the Buddha.
i.e. it doesn't mean knowing everything there is to know about all things all the time.

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Re: omniscience of the Buddha

Postby Cittasanto » Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:59 pm

viewtopic.php?f=13&t=1591&p=20881&hilit=+sabbe#p20881

you gave quite a long responce here and there is another thread linked in there which may be usefull?


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: omniscience of the Buddha

Postby Laurens » Thu Dec 17, 2009 11:06 pm

Thanks Retro

I wasn't sure where Theravadin's stood on this matter either.

(Imagine what it would be like to know everything and see everything all at once! My head would explode, just thinking about it!)

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Re: omniscience of the Buddha

Postby cooran » Thu Dec 17, 2009 11:19 pm

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Re: omniscience of the Buddha

Postby Cittasanto » Thu Dec 17, 2009 11:24 pm

i only thought because I know I had started a thread and another thread was on Sabbe if I remember it!


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: omniscience of the Buddha

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Re: omniscience of the Buddha

Postby Paññāsikhara » Sat Dec 19, 2009 3:01 am

This will no doubt turn into an interesting thread.

Above, Lauren's writes "I wasn't sure where Theravadin's stood on this matter either."

I think that it may be worth pointing out that the quotes from the suttas are not the only perspective that the Theravadins have on this. If one goes into the commentarial tradition, one will find a somewhat different story. To me, though no doubt many will disagree, it may be useful to distinguish between the "sutta-vadins" and the "thera-vadins", the "thera-vada" referring to the commentaries of the Theras on the suttas. And this is very pertinent given that this thread is in the "Classical Mahavihara Theravada" Forum.

Problem is, in the English language at least, we have little access to the commentaries, and often (mis)take the sutta-vada for the thera-vada. I'll try to find some thera-vada quotes for you all, to add here.

I think it best to first have as much info as possible on the subject, before coming to conclusions about what the Classical Mahavihara position actually is.
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Re: omniscience of the Buddha

Postby Laurens » Sat Dec 19, 2009 4:04 am

"For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring."

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Re: omniscience of the Buddha

Postby Paññāsikhara » Sat Dec 19, 2009 5:01 am

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