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Do you find Hinayana offensive?

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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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Re: Do you find Hinayana offensive?

Postby Paññāsikhara » Wed Dec 16, 2009 8:56 am

Good points.

The whole "hinayana" vs "mahayana" argument came up at an historical point in time, so I (and quite a few others) thought that "mainstream" was appropriate for the non-Mahayana groups at that time. As you say, that may not work all the time. How are we do deal with this now?

Also, some of those schools are no "earlier" than the Mahayana (eg. a lot of Theravada theory - the "teachings of the Elders" is about co-temporal with the start of the Mahayana), so "early Buddhist schools" won't work either.

So, having rejected "hinayana" (obviously!) and "mainstream" as terms to describe non-Mahayana groups as a whole, do you have any other terms that will work? I think that this is an important question. If we are keen to drop the nasty terms as long gone history, how are we to proceed in the present?
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Postby Mawkish1983 » Wed Dec 16, 2009 9:05 am

I might be underthinking this, but what's wrong with the term 'non-mahayana'?

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Postby Mawkish1983 » Wed Dec 16, 2009 1:56 pm

I wonder if 'amahayanayana' would be prefered? Or if non-mahayana schools want to 'sound better' how about 'sammamahayana'? <shrugs> I don't think I like either names! :)

edit: Isn't 'Northern schools' normally used for mahayana schools and 'Southern schools' used for non-mahayana schools already? I don't know, I give up. This all seems a little pointless anyway :)

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Re: Do you find Hinayana offensive?

Postby adeh » Wed Dec 16, 2009 4:18 pm

I think "Theravada" sounds just fine....and we should keep on insisting that the other traditions use it and stop using the term "hinayana".

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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Do you find Hinayana offensive?

Postby adeh » Wed Dec 16, 2009 8:17 pm

I was only talking about Theravada.....if you are talking about the other now non-existent groups then they should be referred to by their particular names....

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