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Dzogchen practices
by Fa Dao » Mon Jun 06, 2011 1:36 am
After one has received DI can a Master tell a person which of the principal and/or secondary practices are most appropriate for that individual?
"But if you know how to observe yourself, you will discover your real nature, the primordial state, the state of Guruyoga, and then all will become clear because you will have discovered everything"-Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche
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Re: Dzogchen practices
by Pema Rigdzin » Mon Jun 06, 2011 2:39 am
Fa Dao wrote:After one has received DI can a Master tell a person which of the principal and/or secondary practices are most appropriate for that individual?
Absolutely.
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Re: Dzogchen practices
by adinatha » Mon Jun 06, 2011 4:12 am
The Dzogchen Community of NNR emphasizes self-observation and working with circumstances.
CAW!
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Re: Dzogchen practices
by Sönam » Mon Jun 06, 2011 7:31 am
adinatha wrote:The Dzogchen Community of NNR emphasizes self-observation and working with circumstances.
and going in essence ...
S.
By understanding everything you perceive from the perspective of the view, you are freed from the constraints of philosophical beliefs.
By understanding that any and all mental activity is meditation, you are freed from arbitrary divisions between formal sessions and postmeditation activity.
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By understanding that any and all mental activity is meditation, you are freed from arbitrary divisions between formal sessions and postmeditation activity.
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Re: Dzogchen practices
by heart » Mon Jun 06, 2011 9:08 am
Fa Dao wrote:After one has received DI can a Master tell a person which of the principal and/or secondary practices are most appropriate for that individual?
Yes, but the whole process is a bit of trial and error at least on the part of the student. You practice, you have problems, you talk to the teacher, he might or might not suggestion something else, you practice, you have questions, you talk to the teacher, he might or might not suggestion something else and so on. Of course if you have a very popular teacher this might not be possible, in that case you have to rely on your understanding and the advice of older vajra brothers and sisters and in particular on your teachers public/private teachings. That might be more trial and error but also work out nice.
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"The direct, hard to understand, subtle field of knowing, the Great Path, is non-conceptual (akalpana), and entirely beyond the grasp of intellectual thought. Divorced from verbal ideation, it is difficult to point out and as difficult to enquire into. It cannot be communicated through words and [therefore] is not within the scope of the neophyte (adikarmika). Nevertheless the path is to be approached through studying scriptures (sutra) of the World-Teacher and following the personal instructions (upadesa) of one's Guru-ji."
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Re: Dzogchen practices
by Fa Dao » Mon Jun 06, 2011 3:57 pm
Better safe than sorry then eh? Guess its best to do one of each from body, voice, and mind, cover your "bases" as it were 
"But if you know how to observe yourself, you will discover your real nature, the primordial state, the state of Guruyoga, and then all will become clear because you will have discovered everything"-Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche
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Re: Dzogchen practices
by heart » Mon Jun 06, 2011 5:07 pm
Fa Dao wrote:Better safe than sorry then eh? Guess its best to do one of each from body, voice, and mind, cover your "bases" as it were
One each of what?
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Re: Dzogchen practices
by Fa Dao » Mon Jun 06, 2011 6:05 pm
Perhaps I misunderstood. I thought that there were principal and secondary practices relating to one of the aspects of body, voice, and/or mind. Whenever one finds an obstacle to being in the natural state it falls under one of these aspects, or so I thought.
"But if you know how to observe yourself, you will discover your real nature, the primordial state, the state of Guruyoga, and then all will become clear because you will have discovered everything"-Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche
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Re: Dzogchen practices
by heart » Mon Jun 06, 2011 9:31 pm
Fa Dao wrote:Perhaps I misunderstood. I thought that there were principal and secondary practices relating to one of the aspects of body, voice, and/or mind. Whenever one finds an obstacle to being in the natural state it falls under one of these aspects, or so I thought.
Hmm, when your are working with a teacher things might not be so easy to differentiate, and the number of secondary practices one can receive can be either very limited or quite vast. Thee reason to work with a teacher is that he/she might see what you don't see. This is my experience at least.
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"The direct, hard to understand, subtle field of knowing, the Great Path, is non-conceptual (akalpana), and entirely beyond the grasp of intellectual thought. Divorced from verbal ideation, it is difficult to point out and as difficult to enquire into. It cannot be communicated through words and [therefore] is not within the scope of the neophyte (adikarmika). Nevertheless the path is to be approached through studying scriptures (sutra) of the World-Teacher and following the personal instructions (upadesa) of one's Guru-ji."
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