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Peak Oil

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Peak Oil

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Re: Peak Oil

Postby pink_trike » Wed Dec 16, 2009 6:02 am

Good summary. Peak oil is a very interesting lens...everything looks quite different through it. The wars that aren't officially wars are more interesting. The manipulations of the market are more interesting. Homeland security measures are more interesting. Climate change takes on a greatly expanded meaning. The exploding population comes more sharply into focus. This is the Age of Uncertainty - we've built a big box culture and its infrastructures on a fragmented delusion of solidity and stability, and on finite resources.

"The major problems in the world are the result of the difference
between the way nature works and the way people think" - Gregory Bateson

"The notion that all these fragments is separately existent is
evidently an illusion, and this illusion cannot do other than lead to
endless conflict and confusion. Indeed, the attempt to live according
to the notion that the fragments are really separate is, in essence,
what has led to the growing series of extremely urgent crises that
is confronting us today. Thus, as is now well known, this way of life
has brought about pollution, destruction of the balance of nature,
over-population, world-wide economic and political disorder and the
creation of an overall environment that is neither physically nor mentally
healthy for most of the people who live in it. Individually there has developed
a widespread feeling of helplessness and despair, in the face of what seems
to be an overwhelming mass of disparate social forces, going beyond the
control and even the comprehension of the human beings who are caught
up in it."

- David Bohm, Wholeness and the Implicate Order, 1980

Though not entirely accurate, imo, this wikipedia article gives an overview of peak oil:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peak_oil
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Postby pink_trike » Wed Dec 16, 2009 6:47 am

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Re: Peak Oil

Postby Kim OHara » Wed Dec 16, 2009 7:03 am

As pink_trike says, Peak Oil compounds the problems of Climate Change.
The solutions, fortunately or not, overlap too: we need to immediately reduce fossil fuel use by every means possible, both to make the post-oil collapse as slow and gentle as possible and to reduce CO2 buildup.
That helps give us time to fill the energy gap, as quickly as possible, with renewables.
But we in the Western world will also have to permanently and drastically reduce consumption - look up 'environmental footprint'.
And yes, there will be massive dislocation as we reinvent civilisation-as-we-know-it. I'm still optimistic that we are (just!) smart enough to avert disaster.

'Interesting times' indeed!

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Re: Peak Oil

Postby BlackBird » Wed Dec 16, 2009 7:04 am

I'm sorry Poto, but an estimated several hundred year supply of natural gas (at current demand, I assume) is not a well thought out contingency to the global oil crisis. If you look you'll see there is actually less natural gas reserves in the world than there is oil.

(Natural gas column BBOE)

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Re: Peak Oil

Postby Moggalana » Wed Dec 16, 2009 8:56 am

If we are lucky, scientists will get to work in a couple of decades. That would probably solve our energy problem for now...
Let it come. Let it be. Let it go.

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Re: Peak Oil

Postby Rui Sousa » Wed Dec 16, 2009 9:42 am

Electricity seems like an alternative to iol, until we realize most electricity cames from oil, carbon or natural gas. All not renewable and a serious problem in the future.

Portugal and Spain, for example, have been doing serious efforts to reduxe their dependence on fossil fuels, but estimates are the only a third of electricity cames from solar, hidroelectric or eolic source. Spain has the highest percentage of eolic energy in its electricity production: 10%. which seems still a smal part of electrical energy to make much difference.

There are some initatives on way to create an electric grid to power vehicles, Portugal will be one of the first countries to have such grid, but the problem remains if the electricity fueling those cars is originated in coal power stations. I hope new and better ways of generating energy become available in the near future and help us avoid the big problem ahead of us that would be energy shortage worldwide, and the already existing problem of polution associated with fossil fuels.
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Re: Peak Oil

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Re: Peak Oil

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Re: Peak Oil

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http://www.schmuckzauberei.blogspot.com/

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Re: Peak Oil

Postby Annapurna » Thu Dec 17, 2009 11:52 am

Hey...cool! :toast:
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Re: Peak Oil

Postby Annapurna » Thu Dec 17, 2009 7:06 pm

Poto, exploiting oil sand destroys nature I recently read

And whilst you could return to a horse or oxes pulling a plough, so many others couldn't ...
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Re: Peak Oil

Postby Annapurna » Thu Dec 17, 2009 7:14 pm

http://www.google.de/url?sa=t&source=we ... pWAE9TK-qg

Buried below the Boreal Forest of northern Alberta is a source of oil known as the tar sands. Deposits of tar sands are spread out over 138 000 km2 of land (an area the size of Florida) and including 4.3 million hectares of the Boreal Forest.

Until recently, it was too expensive and complicated to extract the tar sands to produce oil, but over the past few years increases in oil prices and technological changes have made it possible, and profitable.

Companies are now producing over a million barrels of oil per day from the tar sands, and this number is constantly increasing.

But the explosive growth of these projects has huge environmental costs, damaging land, air, water, forests, and the climate. Greenpeace is calling on oil companies and the government to stop the tar sands, for the sake of people and the planet.
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