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What is the TM view of the center channel?

Postby Enochian » Sun Apr 17, 2011 8:44 pm

What is the TM view of the center channel versus the Hindu view?
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Re: What is the TM view of the center channel?

Postby Malcolm » Sun Apr 17, 2011 9:38 pm

Enochian wrote:What is the TM view of the center channel versus the Hindu view?


It is a physical structure in the human body. In general, the central channel can be considered the entire arterial system.
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Re: What is the TM view of the center channel?

Postby Enochian » Sun Apr 17, 2011 9:40 pm

Namdrol wrote:
Enochian wrote:What is the TM view of the center channel versus the Hindu view?


It is a physical structure in the human body. In general, the central channel can be considered the entire arterial system.



What would be the corresponding Western medical term?
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Re: What is the TM view of the center channel?

Postby Malcolm » Sun Apr 17, 2011 9:50 pm

Enochian wrote:
Namdrol wrote:
Enochian wrote:What is the TM view of the center channel versus the Hindu view?


It is a physical structure in the human body. In general, the central channel can be considered the entire arterial system.



What would be the corresponding Western medical term?



The arterial system, all the arteries in your body.
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Re: What is the TM view of the center channel?

Postby dakini_boi » Mon Apr 18, 2011 9:45 pm

Namdrol wrote:
Enochian wrote:What is the TM view of the center channel versus the Hindu view?


It is a physical structure in the human body. In general, the central channel can be considered the entire arterial system.


Wow, this is something I have never heard. With this understanding, could you explain what would be meant by gathering the winds into the central channel? And furthermore, what the 2 side channels would be? Thank you.
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Re: What is the TM view of the center channel?

Postby Malcolm » Mon Apr 18, 2011 10:03 pm

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Namdrol wrote:
Enochian wrote:What is the TM view of the center channel versus the Hindu view?


It is a physical structure in the human body. In general, the central channel can be considered the entire arterial system.


Wow, this is something I have never heard. With this understanding, could you explain what would be meant by gathering the winds into the central channel? And furthermore, what the 2 side channels would be? Thank you.


The two "side" channels are the venous system (roma or rasanā) and the spinal column and nervous system (rkyang ma or lalanā).

It means that the vāyus gather in the aorta.
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Re: What is the TM view of the center channel?

Postby dakini_boi » Mon Apr 18, 2011 10:58 pm

Is there a Western medical equivalent to the vayus? In other words, in Western terms, what is it that gathers into the aorta?
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Re: What is the TM view of the center channel?

Postby Malcolm » Tue Apr 19, 2011 12:56 am

dakini_boi wrote:Is there a Western medical equivalent to the vayus? In other words, in Western terms, what is it that gathers into the aorta?



There is no equivalent. However, what gathers is the element of air in the body.
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Re: What is the TM view of the center channel?

Postby Enochian » Tue Apr 19, 2011 2:23 am

This doesn't make sense at all in the light of Dzogchen's crystal channels. :techproblem:
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Re: What is the TM view of the center channel?

Postby Malcolm » Tue Apr 19, 2011 2:45 am

Enochian wrote:This doesn't make sense at all in the light of Dzogchen's crystal channels. :techproblem:



Of course it does. But I am not going to discuss that here more than to say this kind of anatomy is wrapped in metaphor. When one has studied Tibetan medicine, many things become obvious that seem mysterious and mystical in Dzogchen.

Here is a hint "white silk thread" is common Tibetan medical term for nerve fibers in the body, for example, that run from the brain to all the internal organs, etc.

But in reality, it is all about physical structures in the body and how to manipulate them.
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Re: What is the TM view of the center channel?

Postby Enochian » Sun Apr 24, 2011 2:43 am

Namdrol wrote:But in reality, it is all about physical structures in the body and how to manipulate them.



Couldn't you just compress on some arteries, veins etc. with your hands and experience clear light?
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Re: What is the TM view of the center channel?

Postby Josef » Sun Apr 24, 2011 3:17 am

Enochian wrote:
Namdrol wrote:But in reality, it is all about physical structures in the body and how to manipulate them.



Couldn't you just compress on some arteries, veins etc. with your hands and experience clear light?

If you figure out how to reach in there and give your aorta a squeeze let me know.
That would be something to see.
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Re: What is the TM view of the center channel?

Postby Enochian » Sun Apr 24, 2011 3:26 am

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Re: What is the TM view of the center channel?

Postby Adamantine » Sat Jun 04, 2011 8:59 pm

Namdrol wrote:
Enochian wrote:This doesn't make sense at all in the light of Dzogchen's crystal channels. :techproblem:



Of course it does. But I am not going to discuss that here more than to say this kind of anatomy is wrapped in metaphor. When one has studied Tibetan medicine, many things become obvious that seem mysterious and mystical in Dzogchen.

Here is a hint "white silk thread" is common Tibetan medical term for nerve fibers in the body, for example, that run from the brain to all the internal organs, etc.

But in reality, it is all about physical structures in the body and how to manipulate them.


Why then would such elaborate visualizations be prescribed for tsa-lung practice which don't correspond remotely to the actual physical structures? There seems to be more in play than mere metaphor.
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Re: What is the TM view of the center channel?

Postby adinatha » Sat Jun 04, 2011 10:57 pm

Adamantine wrote:
Namdrol wrote:
Enochian wrote:This doesn't make sense at all in the light of Dzogchen's crystal channels. :techproblem:



Of course it does. But I am not going to discuss that here more than to say this kind of anatomy is wrapped in metaphor. When one has studied Tibetan medicine, many things become obvious that seem mysterious and mystical in Dzogchen.

Here is a hint "white silk thread" is common Tibetan medical term for nerve fibers in the body, for example, that run from the brain to all the internal organs, etc.

But in reality, it is all about physical structures in the body and how to manipulate them.


Why then would such elaborate visualizations be prescribed for tsa-lung practice which don't correspond remotely to the actual physical structures? There seems to be more in play than mere metaphor.


The visualizations in deity yoga and tsa-lung totally correspond. The way you visualize doesn't have to be precise to activate the physical region.
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Re: What is the TM view of the center channel?

Postby adinatha » Sat Jun 04, 2011 10:59 pm

Namdrol wrote:
Enochian wrote:This doesn't make sense at all in the light of Dzogchen's crystal channels. :techproblem:



Of course it does. But I am not going to discuss that here more than to say this kind of anatomy is wrapped in metaphor. When one has studied Tibetan medicine, many things become obvious that seem mysterious and mystical in Dzogchen.

Here is a hint "white silk thread" is common Tibetan medical term for nerve fibers in the body, for example, that run from the brain to all the internal organs, etc.

But in reality, it is all about physical structures in the body and how to manipulate them.


The texts on crystal kati say it is primordially pure, not polluted by red or white. I thought this indicated it was not a nerve or a blood vessel, but something else, similar to the eye faculty.
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Re: What is the TM view of the center channel?

Postby Malcolm » Sun Jun 05, 2011 5:25 am

adinatha wrote:
Namdrol wrote:
Enochian wrote:This doesn't make sense at all in the light of Dzogchen's crystal channels. :techproblem:



Of course it does. But I am not going to discuss that here more than to say this kind of anatomy is wrapped in metaphor. When one has studied Tibetan medicine, many things become obvious that seem mysterious and mystical in Dzogchen.

Here is a hint "white silk thread" is common Tibetan medical term for nerve fibers in the body, for example, that run from the brain to all the internal organs, etc.

But in reality, it is all about physical structures in the body and how to manipulate them.


The texts on crystal kati say it is primordially pure, not polluted by red or white. I thought this indicated it was not a nerve or a blood vessel, but something else, similar to the eye faculty.


You misread -- it is channel that is not filled with blood or lymph. The reason it is called "a white silk thread" is because it is a nerve. This is common euphemism for nerves.

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Re: What is the TM view of the center channel?

Postby adinatha » Sun Jun 05, 2011 3:33 pm

Namdrol wrote:You misread -- it is channel that is not filled with blood or lymph. The reason it is called "a white silk thread" is because it is a nerve. This is common euphemism for nerves.

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Thank you for that clarification. Which nerve are we talking about then? Vagus?
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Re: What is the TM view of the center channel?

Postby Malcolm » Sun Jun 05, 2011 3:46 pm

adinatha wrote:
Namdrol wrote:You misread -- it is channel that is not filled with blood or lymph. The reason it is called "a white silk thread" is because it is a nerve. This is common euphemism for nerves.

N


Thank you for that clarification. Which nerve are we talking about then? Vagus?



Altogether, the optical housing and the optical nerve.
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Re: What is the TM view of the center channel?

Postby adinatha » Sun Jun 05, 2011 3:48 pm

Namdrol wrote:
adinatha wrote:
Namdrol wrote:You misread -- it is channel that is not filled with blood or lymph. The reason it is called "a white silk thread" is because it is a nerve. This is common euphemism for nerves.

N


Thank you for that clarification. Which nerve are we talking about then? Vagus?



Altogether, the optical housing and the optical nerve.


So then what goes down the sides of the neck and into the heart? I see vagus and phrenic nerves. Vagus powers the heart; phrenic the diaphragm.
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