Namdrol wrote:kalden yungdrung wrote:Adhinatha wrote:
This part is weird, because it seems like seeing the basis in Tregcho is the path of seeing and the lights in the first appearance would be the path of meditation.
The meditation in Dzogchen is to be in the Natural State, which is united with Thodgal. That is the base to experience the first Lamp with its related Visions.
I guess that would be the right following order of Trekchod and Thodgal. I know that some schools teach Trekchod and Thodgal as separate, but i did learn this as united in the Bon Dzogchen. This means that within the abiding of the Natural State the Visions are self emanated and are in that way inter related.
Teaching treghcho and thogal as separate is a later expedient. It was not taught that way in the beginning.
This makes a lot of sense. I can understand why it would be explained separately to illustrate, but then in practice one would get right to it.
Namdrol wrote:It is felt that for some people, there will be too much attachment to appearances unless they are very stable in tregcho first.
Seems like this is what the teacher is for.