A successful DI is beyond causal elements of lower vehicles like compassion and devotion but effortlessly includes rightful actions for that brief time. Secondly compassion and devotion was emphasized by Tulku Urgyen Rinpoche for his students that didn't get it and as fuel for those that did. He never made the basic mistake of equating that state with meritorious causalities. Thirdly he did not restrict it to any levels as himself and his root guru remained extremely devoted to enlightened gurus and deities. And he also often said his own students should look down upon less fortunate practitioners or beings suffering or those afar from dharma with compassion. Fourthly other great Dzogchen masters emphasize other secondary causal practices for those that continually don't get it or as fuel for progress for those that do, mainly the two accumulations and the purification of obstacles and obscurities. So one should not follow the amateur mistake of those reducing the state beyond causality to lower vehicles' causal teachings and instead should follow the guru's advice himself.
You were a personal student of Tulku Urgyen?
Were did I "equate that state with meritorious causalities"? Exact quote please.
Were did I say Tulku Urgyen restricted direct introduction to some particular level? Tulku Urgyen and his sons gave and gives direct introduction without any restrictions that I ever noticed.
Were did I reduce "the state beyond causality to lower vehicles' causal teachings"? Exact quote please.
I was talking of how direct introduction is possible quoting from my memory what the oldest son of Tulku Urgyen, Chokyi Nyima Rinpoche, said once. We are talking about the exact moment it happens here not about any accumulation. Try to respond to the actual posts without adding a lot of stuff that you imagine are my POV. You don't know me, have no idea what I know about Dzogchen, what my practices are and so on.
The minor reduction was rejected on compassion & devotion restricted to empowerment only and shown the master also looks up with devotion and student looks down with compassion elsewhere too according to TUR. As for the main reduction of DI by you, traditionally one is talking about not mistaking DI session, as asked about, with compassion and devotion, as clarified from TUR's POV, or etc. etc. causals. No need for anger. DI session includes many many noble acts including compassion and devotion but goes beyond such causalities, hence a mistake to misrepresent and reduce it so:
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I dont think Astus is trying to bust anybody's chops here. I too am curious as to how this works. Something happened when I watched Rinpoche in that last transmission. I dont fully understand it and cant adequately describe it. I get the whole radio transmission thing...makes sense to me. What I want to know is how does he do that? Is it something that one learns to do or what?
Ttraditionally one is talking about the auspicious meeting between the teachers compassion and the students devotion.
The rest was clarifying TUR system and other alternatives too, apart from correcting your mistaken answer to his question.