Electronic Dzogchen

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Re: Electronic Dzogchen

Postby username » Fri Jun 03, 2011 4:44 am

Dzogchen masters I know say: 1)Buddhist religion essence is Dzogchen 2)Religions are positive by intent/fruit 3)Any method's OK unless: breaking Dzogchen vows, mixed as syncretic (Milanese Soup) 4)Don't join mandalas of opponents of Dalai Lama/Padmasambhava: False Deity inventors by encouraging victims 5)Don't debate Ati with others 6)Don't discuss Ati practices online 7) A master told his old disciple: no one's to discuss his teaching with some others on a former forum nor mention him. Publicity's OK, questions are asked from masters/set teachers in person/email/non-public forums~Best wishes

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Re: Electronic Dzogchen

Postby heart » Fri Jun 03, 2011 8:38 am

"We are all here to help each other go through this thing, whatever it is."
~Kurt Vonnegut

"The principal practice is Guruyoga. But we need to understand that any secondary practice combined with Guruyoga becomes a principal practice." ChNNR (Teachings on Thun and Ganapuja)

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Re: Electronic Dzogchen

Postby username » Fri Jun 03, 2011 9:14 am

A successful DI is beyond causal elements of lower vehicles like compassion and devotion but effortlessly includes rightful actions for that brief time. Secondly compassion and devotion was emphasized by Tulku Urgyen Rinpoche for his students that didn't get it and as fuel for those that did. He never made the basic mistake of equating that state with meritorious causalities. Thirdly he did not restrict it to any levels as himself and his root guru remained extremely devoted to enlightened gurus and deities. And he also often said his own students should look down upon less fortunate practitioners or beings suffering or those afar from dharma with compassion. Fourthly other great Dzogchen masters emphasize other secondary causal practices for those that continually don't get it or as fuel for progress for those that do, mainly the two accumulations and the purification of obstacles and obscurities. So one should not follow the amateur mistake of those reducing the state beyond causality to lower vehicles' causal teachings and instead should follow the guru's advice itself.
Dzogchen masters I know say: 1)Buddhist religion essence is Dzogchen 2)Religions are positive by intent/fruit 3)Any method's OK unless: breaking Dzogchen vows, mixed as syncretic (Milanese Soup) 4)Don't join mandalas of opponents of Dalai Lama/Padmasambhava: False Deity inventors by encouraging victims 5)Don't debate Ati with others 6)Don't discuss Ati practices online 7) A master told his old disciple: no one's to discuss his teaching with some others on a former forum nor mention him. Publicity's OK, questions are asked from masters/set teachers in person/email/non-public forums~Best wishes

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Re: Electronic Dzogchen

Postby heart » Fri Jun 03, 2011 9:46 am

"We are all here to help each other go through this thing, whatever it is."
~Kurt Vonnegut

"The principal practice is Guruyoga. But we need to understand that any secondary practice combined with Guruyoga becomes a principal practice." ChNNR (Teachings on Thun and Ganapuja)

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Re: Electronic Dzogchen

Postby username » Fri Jun 03, 2011 10:20 am

Dzogchen masters I know say: 1)Buddhist religion essence is Dzogchen 2)Religions are positive by intent/fruit 3)Any method's OK unless: breaking Dzogchen vows, mixed as syncretic (Milanese Soup) 4)Don't join mandalas of opponents of Dalai Lama/Padmasambhava: False Deity inventors by encouraging victims 5)Don't debate Ati with others 6)Don't discuss Ati practices online 7) A master told his old disciple: no one's to discuss his teaching with some others on a former forum nor mention him. Publicity's OK, questions are asked from masters/set teachers in person/email/non-public forums~Best wishes

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Re: Electronic Dzogchen

Postby Pema Rigdzin » Fri Jun 03, 2011 11:14 am

In a direct introduction, the master creates the circumstances to facilitate the arising of an experience in the student through which the student can then recognize his/her true nature. The arising of a visceral, uncontrived, unelaborated devotion in the student toward the master is an example of a major facilitator of both such an experience and such a recognition.

It seems to me that this is probably the most essential reason why the so-called tantric ngondro - and particularly the outer guru yoga section - is so often taught and practiced. It's clearly not the only possible approach to the Great Perfection, but it is a very, very useful approach for many people if practiced the right way.

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Re: Electronic Dzogchen

Postby username » Fri Jun 03, 2011 11:29 am

Also complete 'faith' in his ability as well as faith in our own potential to connect with our own real nature which is what it's all about in essence. Hence the distinction often made between DI and blessings as here the awakening and enlightenment is carried out by oneself which only a lineage guru can make possible. And crucially to relax and thirdly to merge with the guru's state just as he prepares prior to actual giving of DI or at least connect with or the very absolute least to wholeheartedly intend to.
Dzogchen masters I know say: 1)Buddhist religion essence is Dzogchen 2)Religions are positive by intent/fruit 3)Any method's OK unless: breaking Dzogchen vows, mixed as syncretic (Milanese Soup) 4)Don't join mandalas of opponents of Dalai Lama/Padmasambhava: False Deity inventors by encouraging victims 5)Don't debate Ati with others 6)Don't discuss Ati practices online 7) A master told his old disciple: no one's to discuss his teaching with some others on a former forum nor mention him. Publicity's OK, questions are asked from masters/set teachers in person/email/non-public forums~Best wishes

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Re: Electronic Dzogchen

Postby heart » Fri Jun 03, 2011 11:57 am

"We are all here to help each other go through this thing, whatever it is."
~Kurt Vonnegut

"The principal practice is Guruyoga. But we need to understand that any secondary practice combined with Guruyoga becomes a principal practice." ChNNR (Teachings on Thun and Ganapuja)

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Re: Electronic Dzogchen

Postby username » Fri Jun 03, 2011 12:00 pm

Dzogchen masters I know say: 1)Buddhist religion essence is Dzogchen 2)Religions are positive by intent/fruit 3)Any method's OK unless: breaking Dzogchen vows, mixed as syncretic (Milanese Soup) 4)Don't join mandalas of opponents of Dalai Lama/Padmasambhava: False Deity inventors by encouraging victims 5)Don't debate Ati with others 6)Don't discuss Ati practices online 7) A master told his old disciple: no one's to discuss his teaching with some others on a former forum nor mention him. Publicity's OK, questions are asked from masters/set teachers in person/email/non-public forums~Best wishes

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Re: Electronic Dzogchen

Postby heart » Fri Jun 03, 2011 12:07 pm

"We are all here to help each other go through this thing, whatever it is."
~Kurt Vonnegut

"The principal practice is Guruyoga. But we need to understand that any secondary practice combined with Guruyoga becomes a principal practice." ChNNR (Teachings on Thun and Ganapuja)

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Re: Electronic Dzogchen

Postby heart » Fri Jun 03, 2011 12:08 pm

"We are all here to help each other go through this thing, whatever it is."
~Kurt Vonnegut

"The principal practice is Guruyoga. But we need to understand that any secondary practice combined with Guruyoga becomes a principal practice." ChNNR (Teachings on Thun and Ganapuja)


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