How is "Self-Originated" Defined in Dzogchen?

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Re: How is "Self-Originated" Defined in Dzogchen?

Postby Vajrahridaya » Tue May 31, 2011 1:38 am

Namdrol wrote:
Pero wrote:
mr. gordo wrote:How are the definitions for "self-originated" explained in terms of dependent origination? I may be misreading it, but it seems to go against dependent origination if for example, "X" arises without causes and conditions.


Could you clarify this Namdrol?


Self-originated here is referring the dharmakāya. It is not dependently originated. The term svayambhujñāna, self-originated wisdom )self-originated wisdom), also means a wisdom that comes from your own state, that cannot be created, cannot be shown to you, and comes from oneself.


But yourself as a relative dependent existent is the pre-requisite for the experience of dharmakaya, so dharmakaya is a dependent arisen within the scope of personal direct experience. No?
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Re: How is "Self-Originated" Defined in Dzogchen?

Postby Vajrahridaya » Tue May 31, 2011 2:12 am

From the perspective of Rigpa, that doesn't matter, but for the sake of explanation, no?
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