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padmanorbu wrote:Are there any at-home ways I can repair my samaya truly and reliably? Also, does anyone know of a mantra or practice that will really help with addictive tendencies?
I don't think of myself as an alcoholic, but it's pretty ridiculous that I keep vowing to quit and then end up going off the rails on a crazy train a week or two later.
Definitely have a problem about maintaining awareness after 1 drink. It simply seems impossible to remember not to get drunk once my judgement has been impared by that first drink or two.
So, anyway, I'm vowing not to touch it and I'm looking for some supportive practice (if there is anything) that might help me to not be tempted to have that first drink.
PadmaVonSamba wrote:Best advice: "You don't worry. You do your best."
Drinking: I drank heavily for years without being able to stop the desire. And then after taking the 5 precepts (from a Rinpoche) I never had the desire again and that has been about 20 years ago. So, have you taken that precept?
padmanorbu wrote:I have no idea. I first received transmission from Namkhai Norbu and he does not talk a lot about what you can and can't do, from what I've heard.
I thought to myself, well as a Dzogchen student I'm supposed to be free and beyond limitations, so I can take refuge if I want and Namkhai Norbu already said that his practices fulfill all other samaya commitments and he was my first teacher, so why not?"
Pero wrote:padmanorbu wrote:I have no idea. I first received transmission from Namkhai Norbu and he does not talk a lot about what you can and can't do, from what I've heard.
He often says that if you can't control yourself, then you take a vow.
And third, practicing Guru Yoga fulfills all commitments.
padma norbu wrote:I have heard him say that. When I have heard him say that, I always felt like he was just saying taking vows is optional since he doesn't spend a lot of time telling people what their samaya commitments are. I think the only time I've heard him mention samaya is prior to saying that he only asks one thing of his students: do guru yoga.
I always think it's easiest to just stick to a few practices and why not do the best practices if I'm going to practice, right?
Perhaps I just need to do more guru yoga, sov, vajra breathing and short tuns and remember just not have that first drink. I think I can do it. Taking a vow, though...? Scary if breaking it means going to hell.
This just made me wonder what happend to Chogyam Trungpa, and it seems he's doing alright: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chokyi_Sengay
Which is good to hear. I hope he stays away from the alcohol this time.
catmoon wrote:The previous post refers to Chogyam Trungpa and the gives a link to an article on Choseng Trungpa. These are two different people; in fact Chogyam was Choseng's predecessor.
Pero wrote:padma norbu wrote:I have heard him say that. When I have heard him say that, I always felt like he was just saying taking vows is optional since he doesn't spend a lot of time telling people what their samaya commitments are. I think the only time I've heard him mention samaya is prior to saying that he only asks one thing of his students: do guru yoga.
Samayas are not the same as vows. Samaya really isn't optional.
As for vows, I suppose you could say they're optional, but if you can't control yourself then vows are a much better option than continuing with negative actions.
During his teachings Rinpoche only sometimes mentions the 27 samayas, but doesn't elaborate. In general he just asks to not argue and collaborate with vajra family, do guru yoga and be present and act with awareness according to circumstance (under acting with awareness you could put not getting drunk). edit: And to not speak about secret practices with non-practitioners.
Pero wrote:I think we can't really compare ourselves to someone considered to be a Mahasiddha.
PadmaVonSamba wrote: My teacher has said that Vajra means indestructible, like a metal vase that, if you drop it and it gets a dent, can be hammered back into shape again.
Well, the way it was explained to me and what I was pretty happy with was the way it was explained to me by Lama Tsering Everest. She said breaking samaya is really something much more than personal failings. Breaking samaya means a change of heart, a rejection of the path, really turning your back on the path. So, you know, in the past, if I got drunk and woke up the next day feeling guilty, I would just tell myself there's no sense compounding my problems. Guilt is a useless emotion, just get back on the path. But, I realize there's a difference here when it's something consistent which you have control over (ie. the decision whether or not to drink something which you know ruins your mindfulness and judgement); continuing to do this over and over really is almost like turning your back on the path. It's like saying, "yeah, the path is important to me, but wellllll, so is being careless and having mindless fun which may or may not end in disaster." The two really are not compatible, so the choice of booze over mindfulness IS turning your back on the path, I think.PadmaVonSamba wrote:Don't think it is that easy to break Samaya just because you are not perfect!!!
padma norbu wrote:Aren't those samaya these?
I wasn't at all. The conversation just made me think of him because he broke his monk's vows and became drunk all the time. I didn't really expect to see he has a recognized reincarnation!
So, I guess I've got to get myself to a ganapuja (haven't been to one for a while) and just take a personal vow to abstain from alcohol...
I guess that's why I was looking for some kind of anti-addiction practice mantra (or something).
To give me something to do in the moment where I feel a great desire... because I am surrounded by drinkers everywhere and I know the temptation will arise.
BTW, "being able to control yourself" and "being mindful" while drinking, we're obviously not talking about rigpa here, right?
Namkhai Norbu mentioned drinking while being mindful you will not go to hell.
This just means in general being aware of your thoughts and your actions, not getting lost in thought or swept away by emotions?
Pero wrote:I was talking about these: 27 Root Samayas. Though mostly they're considered Dzogchen samayas, I remember Rinpoche remarking they're more related or originating from Anuyoga.
PadmaVonSamba wrote:Just because drinking, technically, is a "choice" does not mean it is a choice you have control over...
heart wrote:All mantras help with with addictive patterns, that is their purpose. Samsara is a addictive pattern, much worse than alcohol. But mantras are connected with the natural state and ultimately that is the only cure from Samsara. So the magic is of mantras is the magic of bringing forth the natural state.
padma norbu wrote:heart wrote:All mantras help with with addictive patterns, that is their purpose. Samsara is a addictive pattern, much worse than alcohol. But mantras are connected with the natural state and ultimately that is the only cure from Samsara. So the magic is of mantras is the magic of bringing forth the natural state.
That is what I was thinking and I was wondering if perhaps the best isn't just Guru Yoga / SoV / Vajra Breathing, but then I started to think of all the different aspects of Tara, for example, and the Medicine Buddha and Mandarava and Red Garuda, how these mantras have a special function. Red Garuda is for "cancer and negative provocations" is what I have written down. I know Red Tara can help with sexual addiction and marriage problems. Odzer Chenma helps with money problems. I did plenty of Googling and I was surprised to find absolutely nothing about addiction, specifically. Just, as you say, samsara is habitual clinging and aversion, and all practice is to overcome that, obviously.
padma norbu wrote:Now, here's an interesting thing. Pero says "there's no such thing as magick..."
If chanting mantras we don't understand changes our mind, then what is that if not magic?