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Cancer in Tibetan Medicine

Postby rai » Wed May 25, 2011 2:51 pm

Dear Namdrol,

Could you please write something about causes and conditions of cancer according to Tibetan Medicine? Is cancer mainly caused by provocations from one of the 8 classes?

Thank you!

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Re: Cancer in Tibetan Medicine

Postby Malcolm » Wed May 25, 2011 3:02 pm

rai wrote:Dear Namdrol,

Could you please write something about causes and conditions of cancer according to Tibetan Medicine? Is cancer mainly caused by provocations from one of the 8 classes?

Thank you!

Rai



Cancers, according to common Tibetan medicine, are mainly caused by maldigestion, injuries and disturbances of the humors.

However, there are another class of cancers that are caused by nāgas and so on. So it depends on the type of cancer. Malignant cancers are often considered to be driven by provocations.
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Re: Cancer in Tibetan Medicine

Postby kirtu » Wed May 25, 2011 3:06 pm

Namdrol wrote:Malignant cancers are often considered to be driven by provocations.


What are provocations?

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Re: Cancer in Tibetan Medicine

Postby rai » Wed May 25, 2011 3:18 pm

Namdrol wrote:
Cancers, according to common Tibetan medicine, are mainly caused by maldigestion, injuries and disturbances of the humors.

However, there are another class of cancers that are caused by nāgas and so on. So it depends on the type of cancer. Malignant cancers are often considered to be driven by provocations.


Would any wrathful yidam practice be a ultimate panacea for all negative provocations or it should be particular deity connected to the class which caused the provocation? For example would you advise someone who is doing practice of Hayagriva to do additional practice of Red Garuda if he has being diagnosed with cancer?

Thank you again!
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Re: Cancer in Tibetan Medicine

Postby Malcolm » Wed May 25, 2011 3:21 pm

kirtu wrote:
Namdrol wrote:Malignant cancers are often considered to be driven by provocations.


What are provocations?

Kirt



When nāgas and so on are provoked, they respond by inflicting illnesses.
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Re: Cancer in Tibetan Medicine

Postby Malcolm » Wed May 25, 2011 3:22 pm

rai wrote:
Namdrol wrote:
Cancers, according to common Tibetan medicine, are mainly caused by maldigestion, injuries and disturbances of the humors.

However, there are another class of cancers that are caused by nāgas and so on. So it depends on the type of cancer. Malignant cancers are often considered to be driven by provocations.


Would any wrathful yidam practice be a ultimate panacea for all negative provocations or it should be particular deity connected to the class which caused the provocation? For example would you advise someone who is doing practice of Hayagriva to do additional practice of Red Garuda if he has being diagnosed with cancer?

Thank you again!


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Re: Cancer in Tibetan Medicine

Postby kirtu » Wed May 25, 2011 6:37 pm

Namdrol wrote:
kirtu wrote:
Namdrol wrote:Malignant cancers are often considered to be driven by provocations.


What are provocations?

Kirt



When nāgas and so on are provoked, they respond by inflicting illnesses.


Do the nagas inflict illness on specific people for things they have done or on people less generally in a region or on all people everywhere?

Then how can people pacify the nagas?

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Re: Cancer in Tibetan Medicine

Postby Malcolm » Wed May 25, 2011 6:48 pm

kirtu wrote:
Do the nagas inflict illness on specific people for things they have done or on people less generally in a region or on all people everywhere?

Then how can people pacify the nagas?

Kirt



Nāgā provocations are pretty random. If you live in an area where there is severe environmental contamination, nāgā diseases can be wide spread.

If someone thinks they have a problem with nāgā there are many things one can do. There are special nāgā pujas, one can practice garuda,etc.
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Re: Cancer in Tibetan Medicine

Postby Indrajala » Wed May 25, 2011 7:09 pm

Are nāgā of the same quality as preta? In that they are non-physical?
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Re: Cancer in Tibetan Medicine

Postby Malcolm » Wed May 25, 2011 7:21 pm

Huseng wrote:Are nāgā of the same quality as preta? In that they are non-physical?



Nāgās basically belong to the animal realm. They are shaped like frogs, snakes, fish and tadpoles. They are water spirits. In Tibetan medicine, native tibetan ideas about them had intersected with Indian ideas.
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Re: Cancer in Tibetan Medicine

Postby Indrajala » Wed May 25, 2011 7:36 pm

Namdrol wrote:
Huseng wrote:Are nāgā of the same quality as preta? In that they are non-physical?



Nāgās basically belong to the animal realm. They are shaped like frogs, snakes, fish and tadpoles. They are water spirits. In Tibetan medicine, native tibetan ideas about them had intersected with Indian ideas.


Sounds a lot like the Chinese concept of "dragons" or long 龍 as they are called in Chinese. Some translators used long 龍 when translating nāgā in the past.

In the Chinese concept long 龍 can be responsible for rains, floods and other aqua-related phenomena such as hurricanes. Traditionally rural people would maintain shrines to the local dragon king. I'm unaware if Chinese Medicine ever identified them as provocative entities causing disease. Still, the resemblance is noteworthy.
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Re: Cancer in Tibetan Medicine

Postby Malcolm » Wed May 25, 2011 7:47 pm

Huseng wrote:
Namdrol wrote:
Huseng wrote:Are nāgā of the same quality as preta? In that they are non-physical?



Nāgās basically belong to the animal realm. They are shaped like frogs, snakes, fish and tadpoles. They are water spirits. In Tibetan medicine, native tibetan ideas about them had intersected with Indian ideas.


Sounds a lot like the Chinese concept of "dragons" or long 龍 as they are called in Chinese. Some translators used long 龍 when translating nāgā in the past.

In the Chinese concept long 龍 can be responsible for rains, floods and other aqua-related phenomena such as hurricanes. Traditionally rural people would maintain shrines to the local dragon king. I'm unaware if Chinese Medicine ever identified them as provocative entities causing disease. Still, the resemblance is noteworthy.



it is similar.
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Re: Cancer in Tibetan Medicine

Postby Heruka » Thu May 26, 2011 5:42 am

Namdrol wrote:
Huseng wrote:Are nāgā of the same quality as preta? In that they are non-physical?



Nāgās basically belong to the animal realm. They are shaped like frogs, snakes, fish and tadpoles. They are water spirits. In Tibetan medicine, native tibetan ideas about them had intersected with Indian ideas.


i used to catch a lot of these when i was young, now old and with cancer....lol

by oneself is wrong done........
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Re: Cancer in Tibetan Medicine

Postby Chaz » Thu May 26, 2011 4:32 pm

Heruka wrote:
Namdrol wrote:
Huseng wrote:Are nāgā of the same quality as preta? In that they are non-physical?



Nāgās basically belong to the animal realm. They are shaped like frogs, snakes, fish and tadpoles. They are water spirits. In Tibetan medicine, native tibetan ideas about them had intersected with Indian ideas.


i used to catch a lot of these when i was young, now old and with cancer....lol

by oneself is wrong done........


Same here. Get older. Get cancer. Fund your Oncologist's Porsche. Laugh about it.

In my case I'm fortunate in that I've got a very low-grade Non-Hodgkins Lymphoma.

THis thread is facinating for me. Knowing how Tibetan medicine views the causes of diseases is helpful, but what I'd like to know is this:

What does Tibetan medicine do about cancers? I'm pretty sure it doesn't resort to chemo or radiation therapy, but after that....

Namdrol, can you elaborate?

PS: I'm not looking for a diagnosis or recommendations about a particular course of therapy. I'd only expect that from my doctor. General info, if any can be given, is what I'm after.
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Re: Cancer in Tibetan Medicine

Postby Nosta » Thu May 26, 2011 4:46 pm

Are nagas real?

We can say that ufo are real for example, or even ghosts, since we have evidences (pictures, testemonials, etc), but could we say the same about nagas??
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Re: Cancer in Tibetan Medicine

Postby muni » Sat May 28, 2011 7:28 am

May all practices now be dedicated to our dear and precious sick brothers and sisters. :buddha1:
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Re: Cancer in Tibetan Medicine

Postby Pema Rigdzin » Sun May 29, 2011 7:49 am

Namdrol wrote:
rai wrote:
Namdrol wrote:
Cancers, according to common Tibetan medicine, are mainly caused by maldigestion, injuries and disturbances of the humors.

However, there are another class of cancers that are caused by nāgas and so on. So it depends on the type of cancer. Malignant cancers are often considered to be driven by provocations.


Would any wrathful yidam practice be a ultimate panacea for all negative provocations or it should be particular deity connected to the class which caused the provocation? For example would you advise someone who is doing practice of Hayagriva to do additional practice of Red Garuda if he has being diagnosed with cancer?

Thank you again!


Guru Dragphur is a kitchen sink deity for all. Otherwise, Red Garuda is best.


What about practice of Kilaya?
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Re: Cancer in Tibetan Medicine

Postby kalden yungdrung » Tue May 31, 2011 3:13 am

Tashi delek, :)

- Is cancer seen in TTM as a heat disease?
- Can certain demons also be responsible for the spreading of cancer?
- Is the personal mentality also seen in TTM as a cause for cancer?
- Is there also a ritual for eliminating cancer , maybe Red Garuda?
- What is the TTM medicine, against all kind of cancers?
- Is cancer also wellknown inside the Tibetan culture or is it mainly in the western world spread?

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