Rigpa vs. Nature of Mind

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Rigpa vs. Nature of Mind

Postby Arnoud » Fri May 20, 2011 8:59 pm

Is there a difference? Or just a different way of translating things?

I don't know how much we can ask here about specific ways of looking at the mind or not, so I will wait with those.

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Re: Rigpa vs. Nature of Mind

Postby Paul » Fri May 20, 2011 9:52 pm

Look at the unfathomable spinelessness of man: all the means he's been given to stay alert he uses, in the end, to ornament his sleep. – Rene Daumal
the modern mind has become so limited and single-visioned that it has lost touch with normal perception - John Michell

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Re: Rigpa vs. Nature of Mind

Postby heart » Fri May 20, 2011 10:16 pm

"We are all here to help each other go through this thing, whatever it is."
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Re: Rigpa vs. Nature of Mind

Postby tamdrin » Fri May 20, 2011 10:18 pm

all this distinction is not really necessary.. Even the distinction between sem and rigpa is just a method, provisional at best. What we need is direct perception (ngon gsum)

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Re: Rigpa vs. Nature of Mind

Postby Malcolm » Fri May 20, 2011 10:22 pm





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Re: Rigpa vs. Nature of Mind

Postby Malcolm » Fri May 20, 2011 10:23 pm





འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
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Re: Rigpa vs. Nature of Mind

Postby Paul » Fri May 20, 2011 10:37 pm

Is rigpa a term that's even used much in semde? Seems that semde talks about chang chub sem.
Look at the unfathomable spinelessness of man: all the means he's been given to stay alert he uses, in the end, to ornament his sleep. – Rene Daumal
the modern mind has become so limited and single-visioned that it has lost touch with normal perception - John Michell

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Re: Rigpa vs. Nature of Mind

Postby Malcolm » Fri May 20, 2011 10:38 pm





འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
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— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: Rigpa vs. Nature of Mind

Postby Nosta » Sat May 21, 2011 12:14 am

Is rigpa = nibbana?

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Re: Rigpa vs. Nature of Mind

Postby Malcolm » Sat May 21, 2011 1:49 am





འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
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Re: Rigpa vs. Nature of Mind

Postby florin » Sat May 21, 2011 8:11 am

what about instant presence ?
Its a concept which i am not familiar with and about which CNNR talks a lot.

In the teachings i was given we were never told about things like this ,only about ways of looking at the mind and discovering the natural state-rigpa

Instant presence seems to me more like another gate to go trough before you get to rigpa.

But i was never taught this way.I was told more like look into "that" rest and "voila".I seemed more like a two step approach rather than an three step one as in CNNR approach where you are mindfull then you get into instant presence and from this into rigpa.

Am i missing something?
"Bow down to me for I thirst for an infinite ocean of blood, since the innumerable torrents of floods at kalpa's end that terrify all world systems do not even wet the tip of my tongue"

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Re: Rigpa vs. Nature of Mind

Postby heart » Sat May 21, 2011 9:22 am

"We are all here to help each other go through this thing, whatever it is."
~Kurt Vonnegut

"The principal practice is Guruyoga. But we need to understand that any secondary practice combined with Guruyoga becomes a principal practice." ChNNR (Teachings on Thun and Ganapuja)

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Re: Rigpa vs. Nature of Mind

Postby heart » Sat May 21, 2011 10:02 am

"We are all here to help each other go through this thing, whatever it is."
~Kurt Vonnegut

"The principal practice is Guruyoga. But we need to understand that any secondary practice combined with Guruyoga becomes a principal practice." ChNNR (Teachings on Thun and Ganapuja)

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Re: Rigpa vs. Nature of Mind

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Re: Rigpa vs. Nature of Mind

Postby Malcolm » Sat May 21, 2011 1:06 pm





འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: Rigpa vs. Nature of Mind

Postby gnegirl » Sat May 21, 2011 5:50 pm

"Things are not what they appear to be: nor are they otherwise." --Surangama Sutra

Phenomenon, vast as space, dharmata is your base, arising and falling like ocean tide cycles, why do i cling to your illusion of unceasing changlessness?

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Re: Rigpa vs. Nature of Mind

Postby Arnoud » Sat May 21, 2011 6:20 pm

Well, maybe we can recreate the subject without the drama? I would be interesting to hear the difference between the two. I vaguely remember there was thread on it on E-sangha, but don't remember the content.

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Re: Rigpa vs. Nature of Mind

Postby heart » Sat May 21, 2011 6:23 pm

"We are all here to help each other go through this thing, whatever it is."
~Kurt Vonnegut

"The principal practice is Guruyoga. But we need to understand that any secondary practice combined with Guruyoga becomes a principal practice." ChNNR (Teachings on Thun and Ganapuja)

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Re: Rigpa vs. Nature of Mind

Postby heart » Sun May 22, 2011 8:15 am

"We are all here to help each other go through this thing, whatever it is."
~Kurt Vonnegut

"The principal practice is Guruyoga. But we need to understand that any secondary practice combined with Guruyoga becomes a principal practice." ChNNR (Teachings on Thun and Ganapuja)

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Re: Rigpa vs. Nature of Mind

Postby Malcolm » Sun May 22, 2011 2:20 pm





འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa


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