Kunsangar South Retreat with Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Re: Kunsangar South Retreat with Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby Pero » Mon May 16, 2011 11:59 pm

Namdrol wrote:
Pero wrote:And I remember one time on E-Sangha that there was some mention of a teacher who said you can get his lung from CD too, I don't remember who it was though.


Dodrupchen used to send tapes of lungs to his students in US.

Ah.

Each master has different idea.

Yeah, and I think in cases like this it's important to respect each master's respective idea.
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Re: Kunsangar South Retreat with Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby Pema Rigdzin » Tue May 17, 2011 10:11 am

Can anyone tell me a little something about the mantras and verses Rinpoche and everyone are chanting for the dedication of merit? I recognize one of the mantras as some sort of Dzogchen mantra, but I don't really know anything about it, and I'm not familiar with the rest of it. Please feel free to PM me if you feel that would be more appropriate.
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Re: Kunsangar South Retreat with Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby Fa Dao » Tue May 17, 2011 10:13 am

Has the text that Rinpoche has been teaching from "Jangchub Semgom" been translated into English? and if so where can it be found?
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Re: Kunsangar South Retreat with Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby alpha » Tue May 17, 2011 10:22 am

I wonder if they had some technical difficulties because there was a pause in the broadcast for about 25 min or was it just me having this problem?
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Re: Kunsangar South Retreat with Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby Inge » Tue May 17, 2011 10:26 am

alpha wrote:I wonder if they had some technical difficulties because there was a pause in the broadcast for about 25 min or was it just me having this problem?
I had the same problem.
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Re: Kunsangar South Retreat with Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby Pero » Tue May 17, 2011 10:27 am

Fa Dao wrote:Has the text that Rinpoche has been teaching from "Jangchub Semgom" been translated into English? and if so where can it be found?

I don't think so.

alpha wrote:I wonder if they had some technical difficulties because there was a pause in the broadcast for about 25 min or was it just me having this problem?

I lost connection for about 13 minutes only. Probably internet connection problems there, happens sometimes.
edit: Sorry, I misread my notes, not 13 minutes only, it was the same for me, about 23.

Pema Rigdzin wrote:Can anyone tell me a little something about the mantras and verses Rinpoche and everyone are chanting for the dedication of merit?

I can in about 5 hours hehe, don't have enough time right now. Through PM though, I don't think it's appropriate to post mantras publicly.

edit: change of plans, missed bus so am not going to school hehe. Will write sooner. :smile:
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Re: Kunsangar South Retreat with Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby Malcolm » Tue May 17, 2011 3:51 pm

alpha wrote:I wonder if they had some technical difficulties because there was a pause in the broadcast for about 25 min or was it just me having this problem?

The connection was dropped for about 20 minutes by my notes.

Too bad, because that twenty minutes explained the guts of meditation from sems sde POV.

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Re: Kunsangar South Retreat with Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby Malcolm » Tue May 17, 2011 3:52 pm

Fa Dao wrote:Has the text that Rinpoche has been teaching from "Jangchub Semgom" been translated into English? and if so where can it be found?



A related text, rdo le ser zhun has been translated into English as Primordial Experience. It is not an easy read because the translators tried to be very experimental in their approach.
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Re: Kunsangar South Retreat with Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby Clarence » Wed May 18, 2011 9:58 am

Argh, another 10 min. gone. Too bad.

I keep forgetting to ask, but what is a general schedule like during one of Rinpoche's retreats? 2 hrs. of teaching, but what do the people do the rest of the time?
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Re: Kunsangar South Retreat with Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby Josef » Wed May 18, 2011 3:25 pm

Clarence wrote:Argh, another 10 min. gone. Too bad.

I keep forgetting to ask, but what is a general schedule like during one of Rinpoche's retreats? 2 hrs. of teaching, but what do the people do the rest of the time?

There are often other things going on. Yantra yoga, Vajra Dance, etc.
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Re: Kunsangar South Retreat with Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby dakini_boi » Thu May 19, 2011 6:26 pm

Hi,
I watched the first couple nights of webcast, but missed it after that cause it was interfering with my sleep schedule. Could someone please tell me if CNNR gave pointing out yet? If he may give pointing out today or tomorrow I would like to attend, and then watch the replays of what I missed.

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Re: Kunsangar South Retreat with Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby Malcolm » Thu May 19, 2011 8:43 pm

dakini_boi wrote:Hi,
I watched the first couple nights of webcast, but missed it after that cause it was interfering with my sleep schedule. Could someone please tell me if CNNR gave pointing out yet? If he may give pointing out today or tomorrow I would like to attend, and then watch the replays of what I missed.

Thank you.



The whole retreat was pointing out. Tonight will be general advice and lungs of practices. He finished the text last night.
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Re: Kunsangar South Retreat with Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby dakini_boi » Fri May 20, 2011 2:09 am

So does that mean that if I've attended part of the retreat, I've received pointing out?
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Re: Kunsangar South Retreat with Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby Sönam » Fri May 20, 2011 7:42 am

dakini_boi wrote:So does that mean that if I've attended part of the retreat, I've received pointing out?


do you need a certificate ?

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Re: Kunsangar South Retreat with Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby dakini_boi » Fri May 20, 2011 8:00 am

haha, well yes, why not, a certificate would be nice!

but seriously, from reading about dzogchen I understand that direct pointing-out from a teacher is absolutely necessary. - however, my ability to "rest in the natural state" seems no better or worse than before watching the webcast. so my question was to clarify that I had indeed received "pointing out." Not that I had particular expectations, but it seems as if having a master like ChNN explain dzogchen in a live webcast is not really qualitatively different than reading his book or seeing a video. I recognize that this view is most likely due to my own ignorance, but I just want to be clear on what the process is about - since the webcast only broadcasts one way, i must therefore post my questions in this community.
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Re: Kunsangar South Retreat with Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby Malcolm » Fri May 20, 2011 2:10 pm

dakini_boi wrote:haha, well yes, why not, a certificate would be nice!

but seriously, from reading about dzogchen I understand that direct pointing-out from a teacher is absolutely necessary. - however, my ability to "rest in the natural state" seems no better or worse than before watching the webcast. so my question was to clarify that I had indeed received "pointing out." Not that I had particular expectations, but it seems as if having a master like ChNN explain dzogchen in a live webcast is not really qualitatively different than reading his book or seeing a video. I recognize that this view is most likely due to my own ignorance, but I just want to be clear on what the process is about - since the webcast only broadcasts one way, i must therefore post my questions in this community.



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Re: Kunsangar South Retreat with Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby Pema Rigdzin » Fri May 20, 2011 2:20 pm

dakini_boi wrote:... however, my ability to "rest in the natural state" seems no better or worse than before watching the webcast. so my question was to clarify that I had indeed received "pointing out." Not that I had particular expectations, but it seems as if having a master like ChNN explain dzogchen in a live webcast is not really qualitatively different than reading his book or seeing a video.


This just means that you need to begin doing guru yoga as much as you can - and Rinpoche taught and gave transmission for a very essential guru yoga (with the white AH) which you can also do outside of formal sessions, anytime and anywhere, without anyone even realizing it, as soon as the thought of it pops into your head, to really remain connected with the warmth and energy of the blessings. Also, receiving transmission for the rushens and lojongs and then doing them thoroughly is really important. Rushen, lojongs and guru yoga are really what enable you to most fully take advantage of the introduction. Receiving the intro over and over is also very helpful. Don't worry about whether you "got it" during this retreat. You most certainly did. But now it's up to your own interest and diligence to make the true worth in that apparent.
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Re: Kunsangar South Retreat with Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby Clarence » Fri May 20, 2011 6:00 pm

Pema Rigdzin wrote: Also, receiving transmission for the rushens and lojongs and then doing them thoroughly is really important.


I thought we got that as well? Or are we not allowed to practice them? I don't want to order the wrong booklets.

BTW, just wondering about something: Rinpoche kept saying to be present, which, if I read Namdrol right, just means being mindful. If one is not yet sure about the Instant Presence, then what is one mindful of during daily life? I can imagine that if one is sure about Rigpa, one tries to abide in that state as much as possible. But, if one is not sure, then being mindful is just regular Sutra practice (still useful), so surely there must be something one can mindful of in daily life-- until one has reached a state of certainty--which is still Dzogchen practice?
Hope that is clear enough.
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Re: Kunsangar South Retreat with Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby Malcolm » Fri May 20, 2011 6:16 pm

Clarence wrote:
Pema Rigdzin wrote: Also, receiving transmission for the rushens and lojongs and then doing them thoroughly is really important.


I thought we got that as well? Or are we not allowed to practice them? I don't want to order the wrong booklets.

BTW, just wondering about something: Rinpoche kept saying to be present, which, if I read Namdrol right, just means being mindful. If one is not yet sure about the Instant Presence, then what is one mindful of during daily life? I can imagine that if one is sure about Rigpa, one tries to abide in that state as much as possible. But, if one is not sure, then being mindful is just regular Sutra practice (still useful), so surely there must be something one can mindful of in daily life-- until one has reached a state of certainty--which is still Dzogchen practice?
Hope that is clear enough.
Very happy I attended the webcasts and looking forward to the next.


One should pay attention to what one is doing, that is all presence means. When you can join presence with instant presence, than your presence becomes a truly liberative practice.

Dzogchen practice means you are a) trying to understand Dzogchen practice b) you understand Dzogchen practice and are moving ahead.
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Re: Kunsangar South Retreat with Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby Clarence » Fri May 20, 2011 6:18 pm

Namdrol wrote:One should pay attention to what one is doing, that is all presence means. When you can join presence with instant presence, than your presence becomes a truly liberative practice.

Dzogchen practice means you are a) trying to understand Dzogchen practice b) you understand Dzogchen practice and are moving ahead.


With a., that is listening to the webcasts and practicing the Lojongs, Rushens, Semdzins, and GuruYoga of white A? Do you know whether or not we have the permission to practice those?

With b., well, I will see when the time is right. :-)
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