What is a tantric teaching in Buddhism?

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Re: What is a tantric teaching in Buddhism?

Postby conebeckham » Wed May 11, 2011 1:40 am

Which "conclusion" should we start with? That Kalachakra Tantra teaches that Tibetans advocate a War against Islam? That Tantra somehow is misogynistic by it's very nature? That the Nazis practiced Vajrayana Buddhism?

A list of references doesn't necessarily support the claims or conclusions made...I would urge you to evaluate what they say, in light of any genuine teachings you've had, from genuine dharma teachers...


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Re: What is a tantric teaching in Buddhism?

Postby conebeckham » Wed May 11, 2011 3:17 am



"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")

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Re: What is a tantric teaching in Buddhism?

Postby fragrant herbs » Wed May 11, 2011 3:33 am

Any time a religion has secret teachings such as the tantric I am very suspicious. This couple published books for the Dalai Lama and came to their conclusions with much research. I think the Original Poster should check out this book, why? Because anything this subject is brought up on the Buddhist forums there is never a straight answer and often one is met with hostilities. As for myself, I am doing my own research, and depending on where it leads me I may leave the lineage that I am in and go back to Zen or even Theravada. But I have read the book by June Campbell, Traveller in Space, and I believe what she wrote to be the truth. I have been in enough yogic traditions to know that many gurus, if not all, sleep around with their disciples. I know of too many women who were hurt, and in the mean time the disciples and gurus are busy calling them liars, etc.

In the mean time I will be away from the computer until next week.

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Re: What is a tantric teaching in Buddhism?

Postby conebeckham » Wed May 11, 2011 3:54 am

There's no doubt that there is inequality, abuse, and a host of other "-isms" that can be found in Tibetan cultural situations, including Dharma centers. But it is a mistaken assumption, I feel, to jump to the conclusions some do, that the very nature of Vajrayana promotes these issues.

In any case, everyone should be comfortable, and follow their own counsel. But I'd just urge you not to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

(And, while you're at it, you may wish to investigate all the traditions you mention, for similar issues.......you will find them, I am sure).

Best of luck, sincerely! :namaste:


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Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
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Re: What is a tantric teaching in Buddhism?

Postby fragrant herbs » Wed May 11, 2011 11:09 am

I have read books about the other traditions, but what I object to is the sexual implications in taking some forms of tantra. I have no idea if the kalachakra believes in what Westerners call, "tantric sex," but I am trying to find out. I don't feel that women should be used as a consort for such practices. I have only read this article that I find disturbing as well as June Campbell's book. Until I can find something that satisfies me the baby and the bath water will be laid aside. What may satisfy me is to find a copy of the kalachakra sutra to see what it says.

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Re: What is a tantric teaching in Buddhism?

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Re: What is a tantric teaching in Buddhism?

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"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")

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Re: What is a tantric teaching in Buddhism?

Postby Astus » Thu May 12, 2011 10:23 am

Urgyen Chodron,

You might find these works interesting:

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All from:
Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.



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Re: What is a tantric teaching in Buddhism?

Postby fragrant herbs » Sun May 15, 2011 5:28 pm

I found enough online that wasn't from The Shadow of the Dalai Lama which verified to me that the Kalachakra Tantra does teach the sexual aspects of Buddhist practice. But not all teachers engage in these practices.
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Re: What is a tantric teaching in Buddhism?

Postby DGA » Sun May 15, 2011 9:58 pm

Fare the well, traveler. May your practice flourish.

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Re: What is a tantric teaching in Buddhism?

Postby Dechen Norbu » Mon May 16, 2011 1:04 am

I guess she'll have to find that out for herself...

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Re: What is a tantric teaching in Buddhism?

Postby fragrant herbs » Mon May 16, 2011 10:34 am

you miss my point. i know that there are sex scandals in zen as well as in tibetan teachings. i have been around long enough to know this and to have read alot about it.
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Re: What is a tantric teaching in Buddhism?

Postby tamdrin » Mon May 16, 2011 12:26 pm

geez most people are happy when they learn that Tibetan Buddhism can include sex! IT makes them flock to it.. but you, you're bound by some weird protestant morality! LOL

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Re: What is a tantric teaching in Buddhism?

Postby DGA » Mon May 16, 2011 12:27 pm

That's fine. As I said before, I wish you all the best in your practice. May you swiftly reach the goal.

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