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Bhikkhuni Ordination performed - by Ajahn Brahmavamso

Discussion of ordination, the Vinaya and monastic life. How and where to ordain? Bhikkhuni ordination etc.
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Re: Bhikkhuni Ordination performed - by Ajahn Brahmavamso

Postby Sanghamitta » Mon Nov 23, 2009 8:56 am

I am curious PInk Trike, why should the issue of Bhikkuni ordination be of interest one way or another to a "non religious practitioner...etc" ? Or is it for you a matter of gender politics ?
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Postby tiltbillings » Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:43 am

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Re: Bhikkhuni Ordination performed - by Ajahn Brahmavamso

Postby Cittasanto » Mon Nov 23, 2009 10:39 am



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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Postby Cittasanto » Mon Nov 23, 2009 11:06 am



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Postby Cittasanto » Mon Nov 23, 2009 11:21 am

There are right and wrong ways to do things if he had done it openly from the start allot more scrutiny on the whole process would of happened, which could be argued that it would of delayed the ordination but it would of got people and key people looking at it within the Thai sangha instead of bringing the polarised views as they have been called, to the ordination itself.


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Postby Cittasanto » Mon Nov 23, 2009 11:29 am

when?


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Postby Cittasanto » Mon Nov 23, 2009 11:31 am

Actually debating what should of been the course of action is the point, this is so others don't make the mistake of sullying what should be a beautiful thing.

Edited to make clearer reading.


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Postby Cittasanto » Mon Nov 23, 2009 12:30 pm



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Postby bodhabill » Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:15 pm

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Postby Cittasanto » Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:02 am



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Postby Cittasanto » Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:13 am

here is a clue of how to look
remove the Bhikkhunis from the eqsasion


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Bhikkhuni Ordination performed - by Ajahn Brahmavamso

Postby BudSas » Tue Nov 24, 2009 1:23 am

Friends,

Perhaps we should take a break, and wait to see the outcome from the coming WAM (World Abbots Meeting) on December 7-9 at Wat Pa Nanachat, Thailand.

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Re: Bhikkhuni Ordination performed - by Ajahn Brahmavamso

Postby jcsuperstar » Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:02 am

i totally dont even know what youre talking about anymore Manapa... :shrug:

other than the Bhikkhuni issue what is there to be upset about? and why are you so upset about this issue (or at least coming off as upset, IDK the internet is a funny little thing at times), are you a woman who wanted to ordain but wasn't allowed? where one of these monks your teacher and you now feel betrayed by their actions? is there some direct effect on you?

all the time i read of monks doing despicable things, there was one who was using his female supporters to gather young girls so he could molest them, there was just a story about one who had to be taken to the hospital after he passed out while raping a dog, theres the big thing going on about the money issues at Wat Suthorn (sp?) right now, yet none of that seems to draw the kind of passion that this is...
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