Vajrapani and Vajrakilaya

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Re: Vajrapani vs Vajrakilaya

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Yep!
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ARe you familiar with the Zung recitations for these two? Often done first thing in the morning, after sitting down on one's cushion, during group practice....
དམ་པའི་དོན་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ཆེ་བ་དང་།
རྟོག་གེའི་ཡུལ་མིན་བླ་མའི་བྱིན་རླབས་དང་།
སྐལ་ལྡན་ལས་འཕྲོ་ཅན་གྱིས་རྟོགས་པ་སྟེ།
དེ་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ལ་ནི་ལོ་རྟོག་སེལ།།


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I appreciate everyone providing input to my questions, didn't expect so many people to reply. I understand that one enlightened deity encompasses all other deities. Vajrakilaya to me is an enlightened deity just like Vajrapani. So it seems they are similar in their activities of subjugating demons, which are both internal and external.
Is it right to assume that Vajrakilaya gives tough love and really cuts through the mind of a person that might be hard pill to swallow for some. While Vajrapani might take things little slower and make it easier for some to handle?
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Anyone here actually uses Vajrakilaya as deity?
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For most Nyingmapas, don't leave home without him.
Dzogchen masters I know say: 1)Buddhist religion essence is Dzogchen 2)Religions are positive by intent/fruit 3)Any method's OK unless: breaking Dzogchen vows, mixed as syncretic (Milanese Soup) 4)Don't join mandalas of opponents of Dalai Lama/Padmasambhava: False Deity inventors by encouraging victims 5)Don't debate Ati with others 6)Don't discuss Ati practices online 7) A master told his old disciple: no one's to discuss his teaching with some others on a former forum nor mention him. Publicity's OK, questions are asked from masters/set teachers in person/email/non-public forums~Best wishes
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adinatha wrote:Anyone here actually uses Vajrakilaya as deity?
Many people.
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Namdrol wrote:
adinatha wrote:Anyone here actually uses Vajrakilaya as deity?
Many people.
Cool
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many people see no vajrapani vs vajrakilaya, if one knows what i mean.
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As an interesting side note, Vajrapani in his wrathful form as a protector is also highly revered at the Shaolin temple
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adinatha wrote:Anyone here actually uses Vajrakilaya as deity?
Of course.

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Heruka wrote:many people see no vajrapani vs vajrakilaya, if one knows what i mean.
Must stop these coincidences. One does as one has had a book by one's bedside for a while explaining just that! But then beyond being trapped in a collector's mindset or even without spelling it out ... for people without various empowerments or even lungs of either, suffices: Om-Ah-Hung
Dzogchen masters I know say: 1)Buddhist religion essence is Dzogchen 2)Religions are positive by intent/fruit 3)Any method's OK unless: breaking Dzogchen vows, mixed as syncretic (Milanese Soup) 4)Don't join mandalas of opponents of Dalai Lama/Padmasambhava: False Deity inventors by encouraging victims 5)Don't debate Ati with others 6)Don't discuss Ati practices online 7) A master told his old disciple: no one's to discuss his teaching with some others on a former forum nor mention him. Publicity's OK, questions are asked from masters/set teachers in person/email/non-public forums~Best wishes
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Heruka wrote:many people see no vajrapani vs vajrakilaya, if one knows what i mean.
Sorry I didn't mean to put VS as to say which one better but rather for comparison, so I deleted VS from my subject. I meant to say as just like asking a mother to describe her two sons.
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udyan wrote:
Heruka wrote:many people see no vajrapani vs vajrakilaya, if one knows what i mean.
Sorry I didn't mean to put VS as to say which one better but rather for comparison, so I deleted VS from my subject. I meant to say as just like asking a mother to describe her two sons.
many mothers on surface would say i love my two sons equally, yet in the heart, secretly loves the first born more....
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Best to take it easy here, serious stuff, not just for us here but for many types of beings.
Dzogchen masters I know say: 1)Buddhist religion essence is Dzogchen 2)Religions are positive by intent/fruit 3)Any method's OK unless: breaking Dzogchen vows, mixed as syncretic (Milanese Soup) 4)Don't join mandalas of opponents of Dalai Lama/Padmasambhava: False Deity inventors by encouraging victims 5)Don't debate Ati with others 6)Don't discuss Ati practices online 7) A master told his old disciple: no one's to discuss his teaching with some others on a former forum nor mention him. Publicity's OK, questions are asked from masters/set teachers in person/email/non-public forums~Best wishes
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Fa Dao wrote:As an interesting side note, Vajrapani in his wrathful form as a protector is also highly revered at the Shaolin temple
That is quite interesting!
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Talk about your zombie thread....
Phenomenon, vast as space, dharmata is your base, arising and falling like ocean tide cycles, why do i cling to your illusion of unceasing changlessness?
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