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Bhikkhuni Ordination performed - by Ajahn Brahmavamso

Discussion of ordination, the Vinaya and monastic life. How and where to ordain? Bhikkhuni ordination etc.
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Re: Bhikkhuni Ordination performed - by Ajahn Brahmavamso

Postby Cittasanto » Sun Nov 22, 2009 10:06 pm



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Postby Cittasanto » Sun Nov 22, 2009 10:10 pm

and didn't say he removed his support for Bhikkunis, only for Brahm


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Postby bodhabill » Sun Nov 22, 2009 10:11 pm

"Complaining is finding faults, wisdom is finding solutions" Ajahn Brahm

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Postby cooran » Sun Nov 22, 2009 10:21 pm

---The trouble is that you think you have time---
---Worry is the Interest, paid in advance, on a debt you may never owe---
---It's not what happens to you in life that is important ~ it's what you do with it ---

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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Postby bodhabill » Sun Nov 22, 2009 10:32 pm

"Complaining is finding faults, wisdom is finding solutions" Ajahn Brahm

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Postby cooran » Sun Nov 22, 2009 10:40 pm

---The trouble is that you think you have time---
---Worry is the Interest, paid in advance, on a debt you may never owe---
---It's not what happens to you in life that is important ~ it's what you do with it ---

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"Complaining is finding faults, wisdom is finding solutions" Ajahn Brahm

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Postby jcsuperstar » Mon Nov 23, 2009 1:46 am

i think some of the problem here is that the monks on the opposition side of the fence, whether it be true or not, come off looking sexist, old fashioned,and at best less than progressive and this leads some to rush in and defend these monks against what they perceive to be attacks.

still this is no reason to be disrespectful of Ajahn Brahm and Ajahn Sujato.

i think it is a bit funny that the thai forest tradition which is not known for its strict interpretation of classical theravada (rejection of abhidhamma, and other unorthadox thinking here and there) is trying to pull the hard line orthodox card here.

and as to the timing, one could easily just state the old civil rights mantra "a dream deferred is a dream denied"
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---The trouble is that you think you have time---
---Worry is the Interest, paid in advance, on a debt you may never owe---
---It's not what happens to you in life that is important ~ it's what you do with it ---

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Postby jcsuperstar » Mon Nov 23, 2009 2:14 am

his sangha?
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Postby retrofuturist » Mon Nov 23, 2009 2:17 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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Postby jcsuperstar » Mon Nov 23, 2009 2:21 am

สัพเพ สัตตา สุขีตา โหนตุ

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Re: Bhikkhuni Ordination performed - by Ajahn Brahmavamso

Postby Cittasanto » Mon Nov 23, 2009 2:32 am



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Bhikkhuni Ordination performed - by Ajahn Brahmavamso

Postby Cittasanto » Mon Nov 23, 2009 2:47 am



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.


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