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 Post subject: Karma
PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2011 7:21 am 
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If everywhere and everything is you, who will experience the consequences/results of your actions (speech, body, and mind) but you?

Buddha Nature/Mind (big letter M) is present everywhere.

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 Post subject: Re: Karma
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If everything were me I wouldn't need to pay myself for the lunch.

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 Post subject: Re: Karma
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Astus wrote:
If everything were me I wouldn't need to pay myself for the lunch.


No you don't but you need to pay others.

Everything is others also.

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 Post subject: Re: Karma
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By paying others, you are paying yourself. Why? By giving others you are actually giving yourself. When you dedicate merits to all sentient beings, that means you also dedicate merits to yourself because you are a sentient and not excluded from all sentient beings. This is the principle of giving and is based on Karma...remember you cannot separate yourself from others. The more you give, the more you will receive...this is Karma.

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 Post subject: Re: Karma
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LastLegend wrote:
If everywhere and everything is you, who will experience the consequences/results of your actions (speech, body, and mind) but you?

Buddha Nature/Mind (big letter M) is present everywhere.


That's a pretty big "if".

Here's another one. IF Buddha nature is the potential to achieve enlightenement, then it is not everywhere, but is confined to sentient beings. I don't think a rock has karma in the same sense we do. If a rock does not experience the results of my actions (it does not suffer and is not pleased by what I do) this casts doubt on the idea that I and the universe are one.

Bear in mind, it might be the case that:

I and the universe are not one
I and the universe do not differ

both at the same time, with the truth being some middle path

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 Post subject: Re: Karma
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The "you" you are talking about has only conventional existence. The goal is not finding that everything is you, because it is not so (I'm not you; try to go to the bank and withdraw my money, if you have doubts :lol: ), but to find out that such "you" has no existence beyond convention.


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^ I'll beat you up and rob your ass. Your money now is mine.

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 Post subject: Re: Karma
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LastLegend wrote:
If everywhere and everything is you, who will experience the consequences/results of your actions (speech, body, and mind) but you?

Buddha Nature/Mind (big letter M) is present everywhere.


the wrong man with the right ways, makes the man right, in wrong ways.


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