Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby Malcolm » Mon May 09, 2011 4:21 pm

Clarence wrote:
So, even once one has become sure about what Rigpa is and is just working on stabilising that knowledge, nothing "cool" will happen?


What could be cooler than that? Everything else is just bells and whistles.
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby Josef » Mon May 09, 2011 4:25 pm

Clarence wrote:So, even once one has become sure about what Rigpa is and is just working on stabilising that knowledge, nothing "cool" will happen?
I think that is an important thing to realize then.

Something really cool does happen.
The three statements of Garab Dorje start to manifest in your experience.
Far cooler than visions of Yidams in my opinion.

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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby Arnoud » Mon May 09, 2011 4:35 pm

Thank you all. That is very clear. I really appreciate all the help. It is very inspiring.

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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby Josef » Mon May 09, 2011 4:35 pm

Namdrol wrote:They are mostly being broadcast without restriction these days and if you become a member you can listen to replays.



This is key in my opinion.
Having access to the replays is incredibly valuable.
We are constantly listening to replays in my house.

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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby Arnoud » Mon May 09, 2011 4:50 pm

Sorry to ask something else, but this just came up from reading the thread again.

What happens if, after practicing until death, one still hasn't recognized diddly squat? Would it not have been better to practice the gradual path? At least one has some mantra accumulations to count on in the bardo. :-)

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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby Josef » Mon May 09, 2011 4:57 pm

Clarence wrote:Sorry to ask something else, but this just came up from reading the thread again.

What happens if, after practicing until death, one still hasn't recognized diddly squat? Would it not have been better to practice the gradual path? At least one has some mantra accumulations to count on in the bardo. :-)

Rinpoche offers a ton of secondary practices.
Not to worry, mantra recitation etc. is included in the Thun.

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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby Sönam » Mon May 09, 2011 5:02 pm

this is a great little thread ...

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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby Malcolm » Mon May 09, 2011 5:13 pm

Clarence wrote:
What happens if, after practicing until death, one still hasn't recognized diddly squat? Would it not have been better to practice the gradual path? At least one has some mantra accumulations to count on in the bardo. :-)



If you receive Dzogchen teachings and apply them, you will have nothing to worry about at death. I guarantee it, or money back.
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby heart » Mon May 09, 2011 5:15 pm

To be serious I am a bit surprised at this thread. I don't think ChNN needs so much advertisement, pretty sure he wouldn't like it. I wonder why you think it is important to do it?

/magnus
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby Josef » Mon May 09, 2011 5:16 pm

heart wrote:To be serious I am a bit surprised at this thread. I don't think ChNN needs so much advertisement, pretty sure he wouldn't like it. I wonder why you think it is important to do it?

/magnus

Its not really advertising.
At this point people are sharing information and resources with those who are interested.

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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby tamdrin » Mon May 09, 2011 5:19 pm

Namdrol wrote:
Clarence wrote:
What happens if, after practicing until death, one still hasn't recognized diddly squat? Would it not have been better to practice the gradual path? At least one has some mantra accumulations to count on in the bardo. :-)



If you receive Dzogchen teachings and apply them, you will have nothing to worry about at death. I guarantee it, or money back.



anyone can potential be reborn in the lower realms until you attain the patience level of the path of joining..

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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby Malcolm » Mon May 09, 2011 5:26 pm

tamdrin wrote:
Namdrol wrote:
Clarence wrote:
What happens if, after practicing until death, one still hasn't recognized diddly squat? Would it not have been better to practice the gradual path? At least one has some mantra accumulations to count on in the bardo. :-)



If you receive Dzogchen teachings and apply them, you will have nothing to worry about at death. I guarantee it, or money back.



anyone can potential be reborn in the lower realms until you attain the patience level of the path of joining..


That might be true in sutra, but it is not true in Dzogchen.

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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby tamdrin » Mon May 09, 2011 5:29 pm

oh yeah, then what does ati say about it?, lets see some convincing quotes if u don't mind

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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby Mr. G » Mon May 09, 2011 5:34 pm

heart wrote:To be serious I am a bit surprised at this thread. I don't think ChNN needs so much advertisement, pretty sure he wouldn't like it. I wonder why you think it is important to do it?

/magnus


Hi magnus,

This thread isn't so much an "advertisement" as much as a space where students of Namkhai Norbu can discuss practices within their community and help other members. Threads of other communities and teachers are welcome as well.
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby Malcolm » Mon May 09, 2011 5:44 pm

heart wrote:To be serious I am a bit surprised at this thread. I don't think ChNN needs so much advertisement, pretty sure he wouldn't like it. I wonder why you think it is important to do it?



Nonsense, ChNN likes advertising very much. I remember when I was president of Gakyil at Tsegyalgar, I said we must advertise transmission days. People said, oh no, ChNN wont' like that. So I wrote him, and he loved the idea. After that, membership in DC exploded.
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby Malcolm » Mon May 09, 2011 5:47 pm

tamdrin wrote:oh yeah, then what does ati say about it?, lets see some convincing quotes if u don't mind



I am not really into using the teachings for proving and negating.Only for clarifying what is unclear in people's minds.

If you are interested you can listen to webcasts with ChNN.
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So called “sentient beings” are merely delusions self-appearing from the dhātu of luminosity.

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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby Josef » Mon May 09, 2011 5:50 pm

Namdrol wrote:
tamdrin wrote:oh yeah, then what does ati say about it?, lets see some convincing quotes if u don't mind



I am not really into using the teachings for proving and negating. If you are interested you can listen to webcast with ChNN. Only for clarifying what is unclear in people's minds.

If folks are interested:
During the April 30th webcast Rinpoche explained this principle quite clearly.
The replay is still available for members.
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby tamdrin » Mon May 09, 2011 5:54 pm

if you state that one can be liberated from possibility of rebirth in the lower realms other than the standard path it is realized on in sutra then I thought you could explain how this is.. It is not asking about arbitrary comparisons exactly..

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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby Malcolm » Mon May 09, 2011 5:54 pm

Two things always cause arguments on Tibetan Buddhist boards:

1) Talking about the special features of Dzogchen not shared in other systems.
2) Talking about Chogyal Namkhai Norbu.
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby Malcolm » Mon May 09, 2011 5:55 pm

tamdrin wrote:if you state that one can be liberated from possibility of rebirth in the lower realms other than the standard path it is realized on in sutra then I thought you could explain how this is.. It is not asking about arbitrary comparisons exactly..



Yes, but it involves discussing things connected with thögal and I would rather not do this publicly. Dzogchen cosmology is one thing, this is different.
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