what is Zen?

what is Zen?

Postby naite » Sat May 07, 2011 5:11 am

what is Zen?
Zen includes Chakra problem?
Then, what is different Dhammachakka in Buddhism from Kundallini's seven chakra in Hinduism?
Where is Dhammachakka's position in our body?
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Re: what is Zen?

Postby Astus » Sat May 07, 2011 8:57 am

Zen is a form of Buddhism in East Asia consisting of different schools. It has nothing to do with chakras. "Dhammachakkha" means "Dhamma Wheel" and it is a symbol of Buddhism, has nothing to do with chakras.
"There is no such thing as the real mind. Ridding yourself of delusion: that's the real mind."
(Sheng-yen: Getting the Buddha Mind, p 73)

“Don’t rashly seek the true Buddha;
True Buddha can’t be found.
Does marvelous nature and spirit
Need tempering or refinement?
Mind is this mind carefree;
This face, the face at birth."

(Nanyue Mingzan: Enjoying the Way, tr. Jeff Shore; T51n2076, p461b24-26)
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Re: what is Zen?

Postby naite » Sat May 07, 2011 1:21 pm



I Think this video is very important because this video's first picture appears prior to Zen circle.
and Tibet Buddhist Chögyam Trungpa says Zen circle as Dhammakaya . You can find out Chögyam Trungpa's Dhammakaya at this site

http://www.shambhala.org/dharma/ctr/oxherding/ox8.html

But I think a certain Hindu uploaded this video because no Zen circle is here. I think this Hindu omitted Zen circle on purpose because Zen circle is a Buddhist's subject, not Hindu's subject. This is the reason I think Hindu uploded this video.
But it is certain that Zen circle appears between the first picture(eclipse like) of this video and the sound "Aum".
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Re: what is Zen?

Postby Mr. G » Sat May 07, 2011 1:45 pm

naite wrote:


What is it that you find in this video that is related to Zen?
    How foolish you are,
    grasping the letter of the text and ignoring its intention!
    - Vasubandhu
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Re: what is Zen?

Postby Jinzang » Sat May 07, 2011 11:51 pm

The "zen circle" is the enso. The enso represents our unconditioned nature, to use the zen phrase, "your face before your parents are born." There's no connection with the chakras. Meditation on the chakras is connected with tantra, both Hindu and Buddhist, and more recently, theosophy. The dharmachakra refers to three cycles of teaching in Buddhism: the first on cause and effect, the second on emptiness, and the third on buddha nature. It has no connection to meditation on the chakras.
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Re: what is Zen?

Postby Astus » Sun May 08, 2011 12:15 am

A "video reply" on Zen.

"There is no such thing as the real mind. Ridding yourself of delusion: that's the real mind."
(Sheng-yen: Getting the Buddha Mind, p 73)

“Don’t rashly seek the true Buddha;
True Buddha can’t be found.
Does marvelous nature and spirit
Need tempering or refinement?
Mind is this mind carefree;
This face, the face at birth."

(Nanyue Mingzan: Enjoying the Way, tr. Jeff Shore; T51n2076, p461b24-26)
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What do you think about this paradigm?

Postby naite » Sun May 08, 2011 7:48 am

My opinion(View) about Zen circle is like this :
Zen circle is made up(composed) of two gunas-; sattva guna and tamas guna among tri gunas.
Of course Guna and Tri gunas are Hidu's diction. If you insist Buddhism, Zen circle will be The combination with white ox and black ox in 10 oxen herding pictures.

Tri gunas like this :

Image

img --> http://s1097.photobucket.com/albums/g35 ... f&newest=1


But there is two methods in combination way.
1st : tamas (in) sattva (out)
2nd : tamas (out) sattva(in)

1st img ---> http://s1097.photobucket.com/albums/g35 ... g&newest=1
2nd img ----> http://s1097.photobucket.com/albums/g35 ... newest%3D1

Zen circle appears as the 2nd type between two.
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Re: what is Zen?

Postby Astus » Sun May 08, 2011 10:34 am

Naite,

It is all right to make up your own interpretations about whatever you like, until you recognise it is a conceptualisation based on your ideas. To be aware of dependent conceptualisation and not to take them real, that awareness is what the circle expresses in Zen.
"There is no such thing as the real mind. Ridding yourself of delusion: that's the real mind."
(Sheng-yen: Getting the Buddha Mind, p 73)

“Don’t rashly seek the true Buddha;
True Buddha can’t be found.
Does marvelous nature and spirit
Need tempering or refinement?
Mind is this mind carefree;
This face, the face at birth."

(Nanyue Mingzan: Enjoying the Way, tr. Jeff Shore; T51n2076, p461b24-26)
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Re: what is Zen?

Postby naite » Sun May 08, 2011 3:30 pm

Astus. thanks for your reply,

But I am just saying about what I have seen.
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Where can you find out Dhammachakka?

Postby eightpath » Sun May 08, 2011 9:42 pm

Where can you find out Dhammachakka?
I want to know where is Dhammachakka's right position in our body.
I guess the position of dhammmachakka is forehead.
But some people says the position of dhammmachakka is heart.
What do you think of Dhammachakka's right position ?
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