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Do you find Hinayana offensive?

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Re: Do you find Hinayana offensive?

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Re: Do you find Hinayana offensive?

Postby A Medic » Mon Nov 16, 2009 4:54 am

I agree that's why I'm just going to avoid using it. Some people find it offensive others don't. I don't think it is a term that needs to be used to describe any practice so I don't see the point of using it.

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Re: Do you find Hinayana offensive?

Postby cooran » Mon Nov 16, 2009 6:04 am

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Re: Do you find Hinayana offensive?

Postby pink_trike » Mon Nov 16, 2009 6:08 am

Keeping this pot stirred over running decades benefits practitioners of Buddhism exactly how?
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Re: Do you find Hinayana offensive?

Postby cooran » Mon Nov 16, 2009 6:16 am

The same way constantly bringing to mind people's racist idioms helps them to see the damage they do. Excusing the word 'nigger' as something that has been around for so long that people don't really mean it "that" way, and anyone taking offense is keeping the pot stirred over decades wouldn't be accepted. The person using the term would simply be expected to 'shut up" and not try to shut up those who are offended by it.
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Re: Do you find Hinayana offensive?

Postby A Medic » Mon Nov 16, 2009 6:18 am

Thank you for that post tiltbillings. ZFI is what prompted me to post this here. I wanted to get the opinion of what the word meant from those who it is ascribed to.

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Re: Do you find Hinayana offensive?

Postby pink_trike » Mon Nov 16, 2009 8:42 am

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Re: Do you find Hinayana offensive?

Postby poto » Mon Nov 16, 2009 8:49 am

I don't yet have 3 or 4 decades of experience, but I do think "Hinayana" is an offensive term.

The very fact that so many Buddhists find it offensive is enough reason for me to not use it. Why would you want to use a word that you know people find offensive?

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Re: Do you find Hinayana offensive?

Postby pink_trike » Mon Nov 16, 2009 8:54 am

Just to clarify for the record, I didn't say that I use it - like most Buddhists, I've been trained not to by those who raise a stink about it every time they hear the word. In answer to the question posed by the OP, I said that I don't find it offensive. I don't understand how any practicing Buddhist would find it offensive.
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Re: Do you find Hinayana offensive?

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Re: Do you find Hinayana offensive?

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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Do you find Hinayana offensive?

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Re: Do you find Hinayana offensive?

Postby Dan74 » Mon Nov 16, 2009 10:06 am

This discussion reminded me of the Simpsons episode when Nelson (Mahayana) laughs at an extremely tall man scrunched up driving in a Volks Beetle (Hinayana). "This was the largest vehicle I could afford," the guy (insert Tilt) says holding Nelson by the scruff of his neck. He then proceeds to march Nelson down the road with his pants down.

Lesser Vehicle, Ha ha!


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Re: Do you find Hinayana offensive?

Postby LauraJ » Mon Nov 16, 2009 4:26 pm

Someone brought up the point that the kind thing to do is to let the person using the term know that it's not a good word. Particularly if the person doesn't realize it's not good to say. I've been in that position and I was very glad that my friend raised my awareness. It's a little embarrassing in the moment but far better in the long run.

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Re: Do you find Hinayana offensive?

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