Namdrol wrote: Pero wrote:
conebeckham wrote:When you light a new candle from a burning candle stub, by holding the the flame of the burning soon-to-be-burned-out stub next to the wick of the new candle, just as the stub goes out, is the flame of the new candle the same as the flame of the old candle?
We can say there is a "cause and effect" relationship at work here, but we cannot point to anything in the nature of the flame, or in either candle, that is unchanging and uniquely defining. Nonetheless, there is some continuum of energy or heat which was "passed" from the stub to the new candle....though that energy or heat can't be isolated.
Rebirth is the same.
Thanks! How would you make an example for Hindu reincarnation?
The Hindus have a very strange idea of reincarnation from a Buddhist point of view. They believe that when you die, your atman ascends a kind of vapor which travels to the moon. There, you hang out for a while and eventually, you descend into the clouds, where your soul, mixing with the water vapor in the clouds, is rained down onto earth where your soul become embodied in plants, eventually climbing through the animal kingdom, etc.
What you have to realise is that there are lots of schools of Hinduism - as with Buddhism - and not just one thought process and belief structure.
The moon thing sounds, well bizarre. And something I haven't come across.
I come from the Advaita school of Hinduism. The belief there is that you work your way up through every single species, all eight million of them [or so] until you reach humanity. The pinnacle of existence. It is then your choice as to whether you become one with the Atman or whether you regress to another incarnation. If you spent your life in service of the Self and doing good to others, you will attain mokha.
In your dying moments you will think about what you spent your life doing. You may not know it, but you have devoted your life to one thing. One thing. And it is that which you will think about in your next life and which will decide on your next incarnation. If you spend your life thinking about sex, you will become a creature like a dog. If you spend your life thinking about eating, you will become something like a cow, whose sole purpose is to eat and nothing more.
The 'Atman' is not the Soul. How can it emit a 'vapour'? The Atman is the eternal, universal soul in all things. The individual soul is the jiva. Don't believe everything you read on Wikipedia.