Bothersome things about Vajrayana and Dzogchen

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Re: Bothersome things about Vajrayana and Dzogchen

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Re: Bothersome things about Vajrayana and Dzogchen

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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: Bothersome things about Vajrayana and Dzogchen

Postby username » Sun May 01, 2011 10:45 pm

Dzogchen masters I know say: 1)Buddhist religion essence is Dzogchen 2)Religions are positive by intent/fruit 3)Any method's OK unless: breaking Dzogchen vows, mixed as syncretic (Milanese Soup) 4)Don't join mandalas of opponents of Dalai Lama/Padmasambhava: False Deity inventors by encouraging victims 5)Don't debate Ati with others 6)Don't discuss Ati practices online 7) A master told his old disciple: no one's to discuss his teaching with some others on a former forum nor mention him. Publicity's OK, questions are asked from masters/set teachers in person/email/non-public forums~Best wishes

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Re: Bothersome things about Vajrayana and Dzogchen

Postby Fu Ri Shin » Sun May 01, 2011 11:10 pm

"Once delusion is extinguished, your wisdom naturally arises and you don’t differentiate suffering and joy. Actually, this joy and this suffering, they are the same."

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Re: Bothersome things about Vajrayana and Dzogchen

Postby Enochian » Sun May 01, 2011 11:12 pm

There is an ever-present freedom from grasping the mind.

Mind being defined as the thing always on the Three Times.

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Re: Bothersome things about Vajrayana and Dzogchen

Postby username » Mon May 02, 2011 1:04 am

Dzogchen masters I know say: 1)Buddhist religion essence is Dzogchen 2)Religions are positive by intent/fruit 3)Any method's OK unless: breaking Dzogchen vows, mixed as syncretic (Milanese Soup) 4)Don't join mandalas of opponents of Dalai Lama/Padmasambhava: False Deity inventors by encouraging victims 5)Don't debate Ati with others 6)Don't discuss Ati practices online 7) A master told his old disciple: no one's to discuss his teaching with some others on a former forum nor mention him. Publicity's OK, questions are asked from masters/set teachers in person/email/non-public forums~Best wishes

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Re: Bothersome things about Vajrayana and Dzogchen

Postby Jinzang » Mon May 02, 2011 1:49 am

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Re: Bothersome things about Vajrayana and Dzogchen

Postby Fu Ri Shin » Mon May 02, 2011 3:22 am

"Once delusion is extinguished, your wisdom naturally arises and you don’t differentiate suffering and joy. Actually, this joy and this suffering, they are the same."

— Chinese hermit, Amongst White Clouds

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Re: Bothersome things about Vajrayana and Dzogchen

Postby dingirfecho » Mon May 02, 2011 3:35 am

Enochian, what I don`t get is, if you`re an academician, why don`t you suscribe to one of the many academic forums for buddhism? Vajradhara knows the net is full of them, and this line of inquiry will be better supported by, say, Richard Hayes than Namdrol.

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Re: Bothersome things about Vajrayana and Dzogchen

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Re: Bothersome things about Vajrayana and Dzogchen

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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: Bothersome things about Vajrayana and Dzogchen

Postby heart » Mon May 02, 2011 12:39 pm

"We are all here to help each other go through this thing, whatever it is."
~Kurt Vonnegut

"The principal practice is Guruyoga. But we need to understand that any secondary practice combined with Guruyoga becomes a principal practice." ChNNR (Teachings on Thun and Ganapuja)

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Re: Bothersome things about Vajrayana and Dzogchen

Postby seraphim » Mon May 02, 2011 2:21 pm

My 2 cents take is that while maybe we can say that Dzogchen path is "conditioned" for lack of a better word, the base and fruition of Dzogchen certainly is not?

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Re: Bothersome things about Vajrayana and Dzogchen

Postby Astus » Mon May 02, 2011 3:06 pm

A short explanation for using conditioned phenomena to reach the unconditioned:

"It is like making a fire with two sticks. The fire blazes and the wood is consumed; the ashes fly away and the smoke vanishes. Using illusion to remedy illusion is exactly like this."
(, ch. 2)

And commentary by Kihwa,

"That which is cured is like original wood, it represents the personality that is transformed. The ability to cure is like the ignition of the wood, it represents the remedy that is able to transform. The "remedy" is actually "compassion and wisdom." The fire is the enlightenment that is actualized, this is "actualized enlightenment." The emergence of actualized enlightenment depends on compassion and wisdom. The arousal of compassion and wisdom depends on being sensitive to the actual circumstances of individual people. That which the actual circumstances of individual people follow is the karma of all sentient beings. That which all sentient beings follow depends upon Great Enlightenment. Apart from Great Enlightenment there are no sentient beings; apart from sentient beings there is no application to the actual circumstances of individual people; apart from application to the actual circumstances of individual people there is neither compassion nor wisdom; and apart from compassion and wisdom there is no actualized enlightenment."
Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.



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Re: Bothersome things about Vajrayana and Dzogchen

Postby Sönam » Mon May 02, 2011 4:04 pm

By understanding everything you perceive from the perspective of the view, you are freed from the constraints of philosophical beliefs.
By understanding that any and all mental activity is meditation, you are freed from arbitrary divisions between formal sessions and postmeditation activity.
- Longchen Rabjam -

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