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The Casual Drink Or About That One Precept...

Buddhist ethical conduct including the Five Precepts (Pañcasikkhāpada), and Eightfold Ethical Conduct (Aṭṭhasīla).
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Re: The Casual Drink Or About That One Precept...

Postby Aloka » Sun Nov 08, 2009 9:53 am

Hi Ven Dhammanando,

Regarding the precepts in Tibetan Buddhism, when I took them myself many years ago, I was told quite clearly by a Tibetan Buddhist teacher that 'intoxicants' meant all alcohol consumption, cannabis, recreational drugs, and tobacco smoking.

Kind regards,

Aloka :anjali:

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Re: The Casual Drink Or About That One Precept...

Postby Ben » Sun Nov 08, 2009 10:39 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: The Casual Drink Or About That One Precept...

Postby Mawkish1983 » Sun Nov 08, 2009 1:51 pm

I've been reading and following this thread carefully. With the utmost respect to Kare I have to say I personally prefer Dhammanando's interpretation. I know virtually no Pali at all, but Dhammanando's description seems to resonate more with me.

Just my thoughts :) I'm glad things like this can be examined and explored in such detail here for all to see without us having to pay to attend a Pali language conference!

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Postby pink_trike » Sun Nov 08, 2009 8:03 pm

The entire world and everything that appears in it is potentially intoxicating to an untrained mind and should be regarded as if medicine...we benefit when we train ourselves to engage everything that appears before us carefully in restrained doses, mindful of their effects, and avoiding what is not needed for survival.

When the mind has been subdued, it is said in Tibetan Buddhism that like the peacock transforms poisonous plants into the beautiful display of its feathers - so too the highly trained mind naturally transforms poisonous intoxication into beneficial results. Liberation is the full understanding that the poisonous intoxication is the mind, not the appearances/substances themselves.
Vision is Mind
Mind is Empty
Emptiness is Clear Light
Clear Light is Union
Union is Great Bliss

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Disclaimer: I'm a non-religious practitioner of Theravada, Mahayana/Vajrayana, and Tibetan Bon Dzogchen mind-training.

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Postby BlackBird » Sun Nov 08, 2009 8:18 pm

"For a disciple who has conviction in the Teacher's message & lives to penetrate it, what accords with the Dhamma is this:
'The Blessed One is the Teacher, I am a disciple. He is the one who knows, not I." -

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Re: The Casual Drink Or About That One Precept...

Postby Ben » Sun Nov 08, 2009 8:21 pm

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Postby BlackBird » Sun Nov 08, 2009 9:29 pm

Makes good sense Poto.
I'm concerned a little that you might be reading things into my post that I didn't intend. Or indeed perhaps I'm reading things into your post. Now that's a mind-boggler.

Meant no harm.

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"For a disciple who has conviction in the Teacher's message & lives to penetrate it, what accords with the Dhamma is this:
'The Blessed One is the Teacher, I am a disciple. He is the one who knows, not I." -

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