EU to Ban Herbal Medicines

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Re: EU to Ban Herbal Medicines

Postby Malcolm » Fri Apr 29, 2011 6:37 pm

Enochian wrote:Hi Namdrol

I agree with you. But the herbs themselves are available at any GNC or Vitamin Shoppe.


Some, but mostly dead, processed to death in lifeless factories.

I wouldn't give those kinds of herbs to anyone. Herbs need life, ritual and myth to be effective. Each herb has a story, each herb is living medicine.
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Re: EU to Ban Herbal Medicines

Postby Enochian » Fri Apr 29, 2011 6:38 pm

the dietary supplement manufacturer is responsible for ensuring that a dietary supplement is safe before it is marketed.
-FDA


manufacturers do not need to register their products with FDA nor get FDA approval before producing or selling dietary supplements
-FDA
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Re: EU to Ban Herbal Medicines

Postby Enochian » Fri Apr 29, 2011 6:41 pm

Namdrol wrote:
Enochian wrote:Hi Namdrol

I agree with you. But the herbs themselves are available at any GNC or Vitamin Shoppe.


Some, but mostly dead, processed to death in lifeless factories.

I wouldn't give those kinds of herbs to anyone. Herbs need life, ritual and myth to be effective. Each herb has a story, each herb is living medicine.



And again this is a different issue.

You can grow your own herbs legally.
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Re: EU to Ban Herbal Medicines

Postby Malcolm » Fri Apr 29, 2011 6:50 pm

Enochian wrote:
Namdrol wrote:
Enochian wrote:Hi Namdrol

I agree with you. But the herbs themselves are available at any GNC or Vitamin Shoppe.


Some, but mostly dead, processed to death in lifeless factories.

I wouldn't give those kinds of herbs to anyone. Herbs need life, ritual and myth to be effective. Each herb has a story, each herb is living medicine.



And again this is a different issue.

You can grow your own herbs legally.


Yes, but I am not allowed to prescribe them for "Western" illnesses. In China and India, this is not a problem. The reason that I can't is because a bunch of Capitalists have locked up what can be used in the treatment of a disease and what cannot i.e. the AMA and Big Pharma, as well as Big Insurance. And, there is legislation pending to make everything subject of FDA testing. The previous standard which we now have is that if one is going to market some herbal "supplement" based on a traditional formula all one had to do is a tox test (which itself is stupid because pharmaceuticals are often quite toxic). The new laws will require FDA testing for everything. Herbalists will have no choice but to go underground again. And this is because of Big Pharma wants to control everything, and they already control the FDA.

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Re: EU to Ban Herbal Medicines

Postby Malcolm » Fri Apr 29, 2011 6:51 pm

Enochian wrote:the dietary supplement manufacturer is responsible for ensuring that a dietary supplement is safe before it is marketed.
-FDA


manufacturers do not need to register their products with FDA nor get FDA approval before producing or selling dietary supplements
-FDA



They will soon.
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Re: EU to Ban Herbal Medicines

Postby Enochian » Fri Apr 29, 2011 6:53 pm

Namdrol wrote:
Yes, but I am not allowed to prescribe them for "Western" illnesses.

N



For good reason. And not because "capitalism" is out to get you.
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Re: EU to Ban Herbal Medicines

Postby Malcolm » Fri Apr 29, 2011 7:03 pm

Enochian wrote:
Namdrol wrote:
Yes, but I am not allowed to prescribe them for "Western" illnesses.

N



For good reason. And not because "capitalism" is out to get you.



Well, we don't agree that the reason is good. I am a trained doctor. Allopathic medicine is not all it is cracked up to be.

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Re: EU to Ban Herbal Medicines

Postby adinatha » Fri Apr 29, 2011 7:04 pm

Namdrol wrote:Yes, but I am not allowed to prescribe them for "Western" illnesses. In China and India, this is not a problem. The reason that I can't is because a bunch of Capitalists have locked up what can be used in the treatment of a disease and what cannot i.e. the AMA and Big Pharma, as well as Big Insurance. And, there is legislation pending to make everything subject of FDA testing. The previous standard which we now have is that if one is going to market some herbal "supplement" based on a traditional formula all one had to do is a tox test (which itself is stupid because pharmaceuticals are often quite toxic). The new laws will require FDA testing for everything. Herbalists will have no choice but to go underground again. And this is because of Big Pharma wants to control everything, and they already control the FDA.

N


You should move to Mexico City. Tibetan doctors make a KILLING! out there. I know probably only one out there. His patient is the president of Mexico. Think about it. That's big money...
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Re: EU to Ban Herbal Medicines

Postby Malcolm » Fri Apr 29, 2011 7:05 pm

adinatha wrote:
Namdrol wrote:Yes, but I am not allowed to prescribe them for "Western" illnesses. In China and India, this is not a problem. The reason that I can't is because a bunch of Capitalists have locked up what can be used in the treatment of a disease and what cannot i.e. the AMA and Big Pharma, as well as Big Insurance. And, there is legislation pending to make everything subject of FDA testing. The previous standard which we now have is that if one is going to market some herbal "supplement" based on a traditional formula all one had to do is a tox test (which itself is stupid because pharmaceuticals are often quite toxic). The new laws will require FDA testing for everything. Herbalists will have no choice but to go underground again. And this is because of Big Pharma wants to control everything, and they already control the FDA.

N


You should move to Mexico City. Tibetan doctors make a KILLING! out there. I know probably only one out there. His patient is the president of Mexico. Think about it. That's big money...


Interesting idea -- my girlfriend was born in Mexico and speaks fluent Spanish.
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Re: EU to Ban Herbal Medicines

Postby Enochian » Fri Apr 29, 2011 7:06 pm

Namdrol wrote:
Well, we don't agree that the reason is good. I am a trained doctor. Allopathic medicine is not all it is cracked up to be.

N



I greatly respect TM from the viewpoint of tantric anatomy and relation to Dzogchen etc.

But when you get to treating disease.....


And moving to Mexico right now is a terrible idea. Jesus Christ, you guys haven't heard of the cartel war?

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Re: EU to Ban Herbal Medicines

Postby Malcolm » Fri Apr 29, 2011 7:14 pm

Enochian wrote:
Namdrol wrote:
Well, we don't agree that the reason is good. I am a trained doctor. Allopathic medicine is not all it is cracked up to be.

N



I greatly respect TM from the viewpoint of tantric anatomy and relation to Dzogchen etc.

But when you get to treating disease.....


Dude, what do you think Tibetan Medicine is for?

In Xining, a huge Chinese City, we treat many illnesses allopathic medicine cannot treat at all, in modern hospitals, with the latest equipment and training. Allopathic Medicine is good for trauma, cancers, strong bacterial infections, and surgery. Beyond that, it is not good for much. It has no idea how to treat autoimmune diseases, digestive diseases, chronic diseases, etc. There are many, many illnesses that Allopathic Medicine sucks at treating. Also, Allopathic medicine is expensive, causes lots of other diseases as a consequence of treatment. I am a responsible person -- I never take patients who would be better off seeking allopathic remedies. But I get a lot of patients whose health has been damaged by allopathic remedies and more than that -- I have treated people successfully for conditions they have never found relief from via allopathy.

Open your mind, man.

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Re: EU to Ban Herbal Medicines

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Re: EU to Ban Herbal Medicines

Postby Heruka » Sat Apr 30, 2011 12:21 am

http://www.codexalimentarius.net/web/index_en.jsp

its called codex alimentarius.


The Codex Alimentarius Commission was created in 1963 by FAO and WHO to develop food standards, guidelines and related texts such as codes of practice under the Joint FAO/WHO Food Standards Programme. The main purposes of this Programme are protecting health of the consumers and ensuring fair trade practices in the food trade, and promoting coordination of all food standards work undertaken by international governmental and non-governmental organizations.
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Re: EU to Ban Herbal Medicines

Postby kalden yungdrung » Sat Apr 30, 2011 9:47 am

Tashi delek Greg, :smile:

Thanks to make us attent to this new manipulation of the chemical brothers.

Do practice acupuncture + herbal medicine, Shiatsu, Tui na and some Tibetan Medicine. :yinyang:
Import on a regular base Chinese patent pills from China. :yinyang:
It would be a disater if that would stop because the Chinese medicine as well the Tibetan are very powerfull in case of prevention.

Like we all know is an internal organ ill in the western medicine, when it is for more than 40% is destroyed / ill etc. :o
We do not know the prevention of illness, here in our western medicine. So therefore is needed very strong medicine in the west in case of illness when it is too late for curing.

In Tibet and China the doctor also visits one, if one is " healthy " or is going to his/her next illness.
Then the Amchi or Acupuncturist can use the " soft" herbs to eliminate the upcoming illness. Besides that herbal medicine does not have side effects in comparisation to the heavy chemical stuff.

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