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Buddhist ethical conduct including the Five Precepts (Pañcasikkhāpada), and Eightfold Ethical Conduct (Aṭṭhasīla).
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Postby Aloka » Thu Nov 05, 2009 11:57 pm

In Tibetan Buddhism, cigarettes, as well as weed and other drugs and alcohol (whatever the amount )are considered a violation of the precept concerning intoxicants...if one formally takes the 5 precept vows.

I'm quite surprised to find its not the same in Theravada !

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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Postby PeterB » Fri Nov 06, 2009 8:39 am

Thanks for your reply Jechbi.

One of the ways it seems to me that we take an interest in what the Pali is saying in addition to a literalist interpretation of the words verbatim, is to see if there is a consensus that has emerged over the long centuries about what is being said. And I think that there is a consensus in the Theravada about the implications for how we actually behave in the light of this precept. From what Ven Huifeng says it seems that this consensus is shared by the Chinese Sangha/s too.
I think that the consensus view holds true even if the consensus is not 100%, and even if the logic is not watertight. Even indeed if it is the result of matters largely experiential. It will do for me.

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I don't have anything to contribute.
But there are some very good posts going on in here.

:anjali: :anjali: :anjali:
"For a disciple who has conviction in the Teacher's message & lives to penetrate it, what accords with the Dhamma is this:
'The Blessed One is the Teacher, I am a disciple. He is the one who knows, not I." -

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Postby Jechbi » Sun Nov 08, 2009 8:05 am

Thank you Bhante, and thank you Bhante. :anjali:

I thought there might be some further explanation.

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I want to thank both Ven Dhammanando and Kåre for their excellent discussion of this issue.


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