cloudburst wrote: Namdrol wrote:
cloudburst wrote:So you ARE saying that which flows through the channels is Nitrogen, Oxygen etc?
Well, we don't breath anything else, do we?
What flows through the channels in our body is vāyu (air) that has been refined in our lungs.
Otherwise, practices like caṇdali yoga would make no sense, would they?
prāṇa is a vāyu i.e. prāṇa vāyu (srog dzin rlung) aka "the life sustaining wind". This comes from our breath and no where else.
That all seems rather unlikely to me. For example, the very subtle wind that becomes the
illuory body is part water vapor?
Nitrogen is the substantial cause of the rupakaya?
The very subtle wind that goes from life to life is part Argon?
I'm sure I am misunderstanding your point here, I must be.
There are five elements: earth, water, fire, air and space -- they are material, whether coarse or subtle.
When transmigration happens at the time of death, the mind/wind leaves specific orifices of the body, or channel openings. This would bot be necessary if the wind upon which the mind is mounted was not itself physical and material.
For example, when you have flatulence, this comes from the apana vāyu, the downward-voiding wind. That flatus is apana-vāyu.
Vāyu in the body is coarse or subtle depending upon how much it is moving. But it is still something physical, part of the rūpa skandha.
If you cannot accept this explanation, then you have to invent terms that do not exist in the original Tibetan and Sanskrit texts, such as the Vajramālā tantra that explain things like vāyus and so on.
I prefer to not to interpolate new age ideas onto Vajrayāna. So, I accept that vāyu in the body comes from the breath. If you think about it long enough, you will understand that I am correct. You need to study tantric embryology. When you do, this will make more sense to you.