Yogacara, Dzogchen, Experience

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Re: Yogacara, Dzogchen, Experience

Postby adinatha » Wed Apr 27, 2011 4:02 pm

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Re: Yogacara, Dzogchen, Experience

Postby Dechen Norbu » Wed Apr 27, 2011 4:12 pm

It's not very wise to make guesses. This is not something one can guess. :lol: I'll do it anyway, though.
Our real nature is not dependent on mind, that I think I can say with certainty.
Recognizing it is a different matter though. For instance, one may receive transmission and not being able to recognize rigpa, at least one won't discern it. Then one practices to gain such recognition. In the transmission process, I'm not sure if we can say mind's involved. Maybe Namdrol can clarify this better. In the practice per se, like preliminaries and that, I'm pretty sure we can definitively say we are using our mind. Nevertheless the word dependent points to a relation of cause/ effect and that may be a little problematic in a Dzogchen context, but obviously mind is involved in the overall process. For instance, imagine I receive transmission and I think (mind) "I haven't recognized rigpa" or afterwards "I have recognized rigpa". According to the experience, we practice, some to gain such recognition, others to prolong it. I'm sure mind's involved at several levels in the whole of the several practices we may end up doing, but it is not mind that causes the recognition of rigpa.
Maybe Namdrol could clarify this.

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Re: Yogacara, Dzogchen, Experience

Postby adinatha » Wed Apr 27, 2011 4:23 pm

the display of natural perfection is neither manifest nor latent;
the actuality of natural perfection is neither cultivated nor ignored;
and the gnosis of natural perfection is neither visible nor invisible.
...

My primary intention in composing this treatise elucidating Garab Dorje's meaning is to benefit those most keen minds that are able to gain instantaneous release into reality just as it is by listening to these words or by reading them. In order to fulfill this undertaking I shall teach the four themes of the Great Perfection definitively and conclusively.


Longchenpa "Treasury of Natural Perfection."

:bow: Longchepa Jai Longchenpa Jai Jai
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Re: Yogacara, Dzogchen, Experience

Postby Dechen Norbu » Wed Apr 27, 2011 4:41 pm

"elucidating Garab Dorje's meaning is to benefit those most keen minds that are able to gain instantaneous release into reality just as it is by listening to these words or by reading them."
Hum, I've read them. Nothing happened! :lol:
Now what? ;)

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Re: Yogacara, Dzogchen, Experience

Postby Malcolm » Wed Apr 27, 2011 4:53 pm





འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: Yogacara, Dzogchen, Experience

Postby Dechen Norbu » Wed Apr 27, 2011 5:07 pm

Agree. I've asked you since you have a lot of instruction and training and know what you say, Namdrol-la.
Concerning Dzogchen, I'm especially cautious since I don't want to mislead others. It's subtle enough when properly explained and it won't be an ignorant like me who will properly clarify other's doubts or dispel any confusion. I risk placing even more obstacles ahead of me and it's hard enough already! :smile: That's why I don't like to go around guessing or giving opinions. OTOH, if I quote, I'm not sure I've properly understood what I'm quoting and I prefer not taking chances...
"When in trouble, call for Namdrol!" is my mantra around Buddhist boards! :rolling:

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Re: Yogacara, Dzogchen, Experience

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Re: Yogacara, Dzogchen, Experience

Postby Enochian » Wed Apr 27, 2011 5:57 pm

There is an ever-present freedom from grasping the mind.

Mind being defined as the thing always on the Three Times.

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Re: Yogacara, Dzogchen, Experience

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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: Yogacara, Dzogchen, Experience

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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: Yogacara, Dzogchen, Experience

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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: Yogacara, Dzogchen, Experience

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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: Yogacara, Dzogchen, Experience

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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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