Naropa, Marpa, Milarepa Contradiction that Bothers Me

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Re: Naropa, Marpa, Milarepa Contradiction that Bothers Me

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Re: Naropa, Marpa, Milarepa Contradiction that Bothers Me

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Re: Naropa, Marpa, Milarepa Contradiction that Bothers Me

Postby Mr. G » Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:41 pm

Interesting, thanks.

Due to this lack of the use of nadis, cakras, etc., can we still classify practices that don't possess these characteristics as tantra? Is it because they require initiation allow us to still classify practices lacking completion stage as tantra?

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Re: Naropa, Marpa, Milarepa Contradiction that Bothers Me

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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
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Re: Naropa, Marpa, Milarepa Contradiction that Bothers Me

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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
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Re: Naropa, Marpa, Milarepa Contradiction that Bothers Me

Postby adinatha » Tue Apr 26, 2011 2:37 pm

So which masters exactly manifested full and complete buddhahood not at death but in life? As far as I can tell it was Tilopa, Naropa and Milarepa. I'm not sure about Marpa. I'm not sure about Gampopa or Phagmo Drupa, but Drikung people say Jigten Sumgon manifested the topknot, the swirly eyebrow, the penis in the sheath and was a fully realized buddha after he overcame leprosy with his bodhichitta meditation. What they don't say is that they have methods for doing the same thing. Anyone who manifests buddhahood in life, according to them, is because of past life karma, being a bodhisattva in a previous life, and all that.

On the Dzogchen side, Garab Dorje and Padmasambhava were born nirmanakayas. The rest manifested buddhahood at death. If anyone can correct me here that would be delightful.
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Re: Naropa, Marpa, Milarepa Contradiction that Bothers Me

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Re: Naropa, Marpa, Milarepa Contradiction that Bothers Me

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"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
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Re: Naropa, Marpa, Milarepa Contradiction that Bothers Me

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"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche.

"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
HH Chetsang Rinpoche

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Re: Naropa, Marpa, Milarepa Contradiction that Bothers Me

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"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
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Re: Naropa, Marpa, Milarepa Contradiction that Bothers Me

Postby Enochian » Tue Apr 26, 2011 5:50 pm

There is an ever-present freedom from grasping the mind.

Mind being defined as the thing always on the Three Times.

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Re: Naropa, Marpa, Milarepa Contradiction that Bothers Me

Postby gnegirl » Tue Apr 26, 2011 5:58 pm

"Things are not what they appear to be: nor are they otherwise." --Surangama Sutra

Phenomenon, vast as space, dharmata is your base, arising and falling like ocean tide cycles, why do i cling to your illusion of unceasing changlessness?

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Re: Naropa, Marpa, Milarepa Contradiction that Bothers Me

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