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Bhikkhuni Ordination performed - by Ajahn Brahmavamso

Discussion of ordination, the Vinaya and monastic life. How and where to ordain? Bhikkhuni ordination etc.
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Postby bodhabill » Tue Nov 03, 2009 4:30 am

Hi Mike

Link is , the homepage of Bhante Sujato and Santi Forest Monastery

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Postby mikenz66 » Tue Nov 03, 2009 4:41 am

Thanks Bill,

There is now an extended article at Ajahn Sujato's blog:
http://sujato.wordpress.com/

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Postby mikenz66 » Tue Nov 03, 2009 4:51 am

Dear Bill,

I presume from your location that you are familiar with Santi Forest Monastery. From the list at http://forestsangha.org/index.php?optio ... 0&Itemid=9 It seems that it does not have a direct affiliation with the other overseas Ajahn Chah monasteries. Is it considered a branch of Bodhinyana?

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Re: Bhikkhuni Ordination

Postby BlackBird » Tue Nov 03, 2009 4:53 am

Venerable Sujato's latest post entitled ''

This is a very sad day indeed for the Triple Gem... For the life of me I never thought it would come to this.

May you all be well, and steadfast in your practice.
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Postby bodhabill » Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:18 am

Hi Mike

My understanding is that Santi has no affiliation with Wat Pah Pong but is strongly linked to Bodhinyana Monastery in Perth

A link from the Santi website may help

Thank you for your help in posting the link which has additional information regarding this matter

As also mentioned there is a site which is gathering support for the Bhikkhuni Ordination at

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Re: Bhikkhuni Ordination performed - by Ajahn Brahmavamso

Postby David N. Snyder » Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:27 am

Excellent response letter by Bhikkhu Bodhi. :bow:
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Postby BlackBird » Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:54 am

This is an important time for us as practitioners, to see just how far reaching and detrimental the effects of a schism are on the Sasana at large. This is an important lesson in harmony. Events are playing out before our very eyes and history is being written.

The whole world suffers because of this event, give it some thought and see how far reaching it really is.



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"For a disciple who has conviction in the Teacher's message & lives to penetrate it, what accords with the Dhamma is this:
'The Blessed One is the Teacher, I am a disciple. He is the one who knows, not I." -

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Postby BudSas » Tue Nov 03, 2009 9:27 am

More news on the issue have been added at Ven Sujato's blog:

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I'm sure that we'll know more in the coming days.

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With metta,
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Re: Bhikkhuni Ordination performed - by Ajahn Brahmavamso

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Postby Renegade » Wed Nov 04, 2009 2:59 am

Friends in forum

For some time now, Ajahns Brahm & Sujato have behaved & taught in ways not in tune with the ways, teachings & emphasis of Ajahn Chah.

Jhanas, rebirth, reincarnation, psychic powers, seeing past lives & so forth, have been the emphasis of these monks.

Seeking financial benefaction is also an accusation they have subjected themselves to.

These two monks have started their own sect. To be expelled from the Wat Pa Pong tradition is in tune with Dhamma.

Let them be on their own now, as their kamma has dictated & intended.

Please, let us be free from sadness.

The Renegade.

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Postby BlackBird » Wed Nov 04, 2009 3:36 am

Dear Renegade.

Disharmony is never in tune with the Dhamma, friend. It does not have the flavour of dispassion, but the flavour of passion, of entanglement, of pernicious views.

For your own benefit - Don't stir this pot.
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Re: Bhikkhuni Ordination performed - by Ajahn Brahmavamso

Postby wise&wise » Wed Nov 04, 2009 7:20 am

Dear Dhamma Friends,
I listened to a talk by Aj. Brahm, enjoyable and inspiring. Also heard the news about Bhikkhuni ordination I was surprised. Then learnt that he expelled from wpp sangha, I did not surprised. Because if you looked in to wpp standard it made good western ajhans it did not happened overnight, they maintained a good standard setup by aj. cha for the present world requirements. aj. Brahm did not get his ability from Cambridge; he got this from wpp, living under good teachers. If you look at those bhikkhunies, have any kind of protection form bhikkhuni sangha as Aj. Brahm got. They left alone them self and do not have a teacher take dependent. Even sister vayama been 24 years as a 10 precept nun that not give here to live without a teacher as a bhikkhuni she is just one week older bhikkhuni. That mean she has to live under bhikkhuni teacher. If any one of those bhikkhunies commit an offence that they need to confess to the sangha how they going to do that, they got only four bhikkhunies. When you look at the practical difficulties’ the decision made by wat pa pong is correct and no reason to blame. Blame goes to Aj. Bram and who participate to that ordination without concerning the consent from wat pa pong sangha.
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Re: Bhikkhuni Ordination performed - by Ajahn Brahmavamso

Postby bodhabill » Wed Nov 04, 2009 9:10 am

Hi David
David thank you letting all interested of Bhikkhu Bodhi's support to the Bhikkhuni Ordination and thank you for your letter at the same site regarding the history of the Bhikkhuni ordinations

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"Complaining is finding faults, wisdom is finding solutions" Ajahn Brahm


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