Broken Hearted in France -- Kalu Rinpoche

Moderator: Tibetan Buddhism moderators

Broken Hearted in France -- Kalu Rinpoche

Postby Jangchup Donden » Fri Apr 22, 2011 6:35 pm

http://www.paldenshangpa.net/2011/04/broken-hearted-in-france/

I really admire the courage of the new Kalu Rinpoche. Pretty amazing.
User avatar
Jangchup Donden
 
Posts: 216
Joined: Mon Jan 25, 2010 5:44 am

Re: Broken Hearted in France -- Kalu Rinpoche

Postby Sönam » Sat Apr 23, 2011 4:14 pm

In Kagyü Ling (1000 Bouddhas) great cleaning has certainly to be done ...
By understanding everything you perceive from the perspective of the view, you are freed from the constraints of philosophical beliefs.
By understanding that any and all mental activity is meditation, you are freed from arbitrary divisions between formal sessions and postmeditation activity.
- Longchen Rabjam -
Sönam
 
Posts: 1860
Joined: Wed Mar 24, 2010 2:11 pm
Location: France

Re: Broken Hearted in France -- Kalu Rinpoche

Postby Karma Yeshe Gyaltsen » Mon Apr 25, 2011 12:38 am

Greetings

The web link shown above does not seem to be working today, but Kalu Rinpoche's same article can be read at the following link:

http://kalurinpochela.org/protecting-th ... us-dharma/

best wishes to all

KYG
Karma Yeshe Gyaltsen
 
Posts: 9
Joined: Tue Sep 21, 2010 4:27 pm

Re: Broken Hearted in France -- Kalu Rinpoche

Postby kirtu » Mon Apr 25, 2011 12:48 am

Where are all the trained and qualified lamas? Where are all the old students?


Okay - where are they?

Kirt
Kirt's Tibetan Translation Notes

“All beings are Buddhas, but obscured by incidental stains. When those have been removed, there is Buddhahood.”
Hevajra Tantra
kirtu
Former staff member
 
Posts: 4093
Joined: Mon Jan 18, 2010 5:29 pm
Location: Baltimore, MD

Re: Broken Hearted in France -- Kalu Rinpoche

Postby Sönam » Tue Apr 26, 2011 12:53 pm

kirtu wrote:
Where are all the trained and qualified lamas? Where are all the old students?


Okay - where are they?

Kirt


The old sudents simply went away, and better go to Vajradhara Ling or else. As for the trained and qualified lamas, those who are there are trained and have "technical" qualifications. The main problem comes from the main responsable, which has never been interested by the management of the center ... his dream is to teach only. Because of that, organisation and right decisions are not realized. It starts with the non-vegetarian cooking until the bad "whisky drinking" habit of some (many) lamas. The temple is closed when no rituals so there is no ritual place, but you can see the temple from the first flour ... for money. Everything is organized around money, there is many tourists in this part of France and many are visiting the temple and the (superbe) parc around, including a stupa and a café-bar. Once a year, during summer, a festival is organized (not for free), and lama and there wifes are practicing tibetan dances.
So to the question asked, visitors have replaced old students and qualified lamas have a nice familly life, easy going, eating meat and drinking alcohol in a very nice place, for a puja two times per day (only in spring and summer) ... not all of course.

Sönam
By understanding everything you perceive from the perspective of the view, you are freed from the constraints of philosophical beliefs.
By understanding that any and all mental activity is meditation, you are freed from arbitrary divisions between formal sessions and postmeditation activity.
- Longchen Rabjam -
Sönam
 
Posts: 1860
Joined: Wed Mar 24, 2010 2:11 pm
Location: France

Re: Broken Hearted in France -- Kalu Rinpoche

Postby narraboth » Tue Apr 26, 2011 2:00 pm

terrible.
but still with hope.... yeah, we need some cleaning up!
narraboth
 
Posts: 324
Joined: Wed Jun 09, 2010 1:18 pm

Re: Broken Hearted in France -- Kalu Rinpoche

Postby Dhondrub » Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:24 pm

Dhondrub
 
Posts: 200
Joined: Tue Sep 14, 2010 9:05 pm
Location: Germany

Re: Broken Hearted in France -- Kalu Rinpoche

Postby kirtu » Tue Apr 26, 2011 4:02 pm

Sönam wrote:
kirtu wrote:
Where are all the trained and qualified lamas? Where are all the old students?


Okay - where are they?

Kirt


The old sudents simply went away, and better go to Vajradhara Ling or else. As for the trained and qualified lamas, those who are there are trained and have "technical" qualifications. The main problem comes from the main responsable, which has never been interested by the management of the center ... his dream is to teach only. Because of that, organisation and right decisions are not realized. It starts with the non-vegetarian cooking until the bad "whisky drinking" habit of some (many) lamas. The temple is closed when no rituals so there is no ritual place, but you can see the temple from the first flour ... for money. Everything is organized around money, there is many tourists in this part of France and many are visiting the temple and the (superbe) parc around, including a stupa and a café-bar. Once a year, during summer, a festival is organized (not for free), and lama and there wifes are practicing tibetan dances.
So to the question asked, visitors have replaced old students and qualified lamas have a nice familly life, easy going, eating meat and drinking alcohol in a very nice place, for a puja two times per day (only in spring and summer) ... not all of course.

Sönam


Sonam! IMV this is an example of shocking corruption. This doesn't have anything to do with money - if they want to/need to charge for admission or something then I don't like it but it's up to them. But temples need to be living institutions in the West where anyone can go to pray, meditate, practice. What you have described seems to be the reported old closed style where the temple became a business. It is only natural that a person like Kalu Rinpoche would object to something like this. Furthermore this impedes the growth of the Dharma in the West. It's worse than counterproductive. I could easy see Kalu Rinpoche being brokenhearted over this.

Kirt
Kirt's Tibetan Translation Notes

“All beings are Buddhas, but obscured by incidental stains. When those have been removed, there is Buddhahood.”
Hevajra Tantra
kirtu
Former staff member
 
Posts: 4093
Joined: Mon Jan 18, 2010 5:29 pm
Location: Baltimore, MD

Re: Broken Hearted in France -- Kalu Rinpoche

Postby Sönam » Wed Apr 27, 2011 10:01 am

Dhondrub wrote:http://www.paldenshangpa.net/2011/04/light-shines-again/


this is the good new ... thank you

Sönam
By understanding everything you perceive from the perspective of the view, you are freed from the constraints of philosophical beliefs.
By understanding that any and all mental activity is meditation, you are freed from arbitrary divisions between formal sessions and postmeditation activity.
- Longchen Rabjam -
Sönam
 
Posts: 1860
Joined: Wed Mar 24, 2010 2:11 pm
Location: France


Return to Kagyu

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 9 guests

>