soooo no one is stating where the term Turning of the Dharma Wheel by the Buddha comes from
Let alone what it really implies...
And then mr.gordo asks for
mr. gordo wrote:I ask you again, where in Buddhist literature are you deriving this theory of yours from?
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conebeckham wrote:So, Rael...let me get this straight...
Your teachers specifically told you that EVERY religious organization was the "turning of the Dharma Wheel?" Or did they specifically say that the Order of the Golden Dawn was a "turning?"
Personally, I don't think "they" laid the foundations for advanced philosophical thought at all. I think it is a fallacy, quite frankly, to say that Golden Dawn helped pave the way for Buddhism in Western Society. For some individuals, this may be the case...but not for "Western Culture." This is revisionist intellectual history. Same thing with Theosophy...it may have been an "entryway" for some to come into contact with the BuddhaDharma, but by no means did it "prepare a culture" for Buddhism, or anything like that....In fact, at this point, I guarantee that there are more Western Buddhists affiliated with true, Asian-originated, Dharma lineages than have even heard about Theosophy or the Golden Dawn.
Regarding "God-oriented religions," I think it is disrespectful to those who subscribe to any monotheist tradition to say that their traditions are somehow just "preparation" for BuddhaDharma. I also don't think it's true.
I will tell you frankly that I believe that whatever it was your teachers said was filtered through your unique set of mental habits, assumptions, etc.--and that you most likely misunderstood the gist of what they were saying. But that's just me, speaking from my own set of mental habits and assumptions, --you may consider it rationally, or you may react to it emotionally, but I don't mean to upset you.....
Because things are similar does not mean they are the same.
Your teachers specifically told you that EVERY religious organization was the "turning of the Dharma Wheel?" Or did they specifically say that the Order of the Golden Dawn was a "turning?"
I enjoy sarcasm as much as the next guy...but get real.....
I've stated what they said...and how they said it many times over in this place....
if you want to be traditional to the point of being inanely anal about it....thats your prerogative...
I was taught well and can think for myself....
if you don't get what i am saying thats your problem not mine.
Personally, I don't think "they" laid the foundations for advanced philosophical thought at all.
snickers....you are narrow minded and you want the same of others....
I think it is a fallacy, quite frankly, to say that Golden Dawn helped pave the way for Buddhism in Western Society. For some individuals, this may be the case...but not for "Western Culture." This is revisionist intellectual history.
I'm not revising history to suit anything...i'm looking at an advanced group of metaphysical practitioners in a time very few dared to even grapple with these concepts...These people inspired generations......they are part and parcel to a lot of the introduction of Eastern thought to the modern western paradigms that evovled slowly during the 20th century....
you know there was a time in the 50's /60's when it was very difficult to find reading material let alone buddhist teachers here in the west....and the
accepted flood during the early 70's and extremly widely accepted later part of the 70's ...by the 80's and 90's Buddhist material had become part of the everyday....odd isn't it?
there was a time Buddhism was lumped together with tarot cards and parlour games and such....I realize not for the educated...nor am i referring to the few but always thinking in terms of the whole populace
For Buddhism to spread into a culture as it did....all these things were an intricate part at one time, mixed in with occult sciences and such....you could be possably too young to recall this stuff...and what the real early days of learning about Buddhism was like...and the atmosphere around it
scoff if you wish....scream "where is it written in the sutta and sutras?".....
You know due to the Christian Judaic majik concepts our culture and it's heritage is pretty ****** up philosophically....the devil and god's miracles and all the weirdnesses that go with it
Same thing with Theosophy.
I never really felt attracted to the occult but there was a time when there was far more reading material than Buddhist dharma to be had...
and it sounds like a rip from the concept of the turning of the Dharma Wheel....lol
it may have been an "entryway" for some to come into contact with the BuddhaDharma, but by no means did it "prepare a culture" for Buddhism, or anything like that....In fact, at this point, I guarantee that there are more Western Buddhists affiliated with true, Asian-originated, Dharma lineages than have even heard about Theosophy or the Golden Dawn.
this is not an insult...but how old are you...or better still how old were you when you started to study buddhism....
i ask for the same reasons I've been claiming that these people who had a great deal of influence in the modernizing of philosophical thinking in the west were influenced by the Buddha .....in order to pave the way....
thats my view and how i was taught....not specifically the golden Dawn...and the golden Dawn i refer to is not this nazi ripp off sounding Greek thing....
Regarding "God-oriented religions," I think it is disrespectful to those who subscribe to any monotheist tradition to say that their traditions are somehow just "preparation" for BuddhaDharma. I also don't think it's true.
As i stated Geshe La stated that Christianity was a turning of the Dharma Wheel for it induced love and proper living ...
never did he say it paved the way in that case but was a direct result of the turning of the Dharma Wheel to help liberate beings by helping them to live properly and create good karma....
your worried it would upset the jesus freaks that jesus was not the son of god but an instrument of the Buddha?
man you need some cranking open....open up to the reality of the Dharma and it's workings
I will tell you frankly that I believe that whatever it was your teachers said was filtered through your unique set of mental habits, assumptions, etc.--and that you most likely misunderstood the gist of what they were saying. But that's just me, speaking from my own set of mental habits and assumptions, --you may consider it rationally, or you may react to it emotionally, but I don't mean to upset you.....
i was trained quite well and can think for myself...
Because things are similar does not mean they are the same
care to share what you imply here....
