What is the TM view of the center channel?

[Enochian]

What is the TM view of the center channel versus the Hindu view?

[Malcolm]

What is the TM view of the center channel versus the Hindu view?

It is a physical structure in the human body. In general, the central channel can be considered the entire arterial system.

[Enochian]

What is the TM view of the center channel versus the Hindu view?

It is a physical structure in the human body. In general, the central channel can be considered the entire arterial system.

What would be the corresponding Western medical term?

[Malcolm]

What is the TM view of the center channel versus the Hindu view?

It is a physical structure in the human body. In general, the central channel can be considered the entire arterial system.

What would be the corresponding Western medical term?

The arterial system, all the arteries in your body.

[dakini_boi]

What is the TM view of the center channel versus the Hindu view?

It is a physical structure in the human body. In general, the central channel can be considered the entire arterial system.

Wow, this is something I have never heard. With this understanding, could you explain what would be meant by gathering the winds into the central channel? And furthermore, what the 2 side channels would be? Thank you.

[Malcolm]

What is the TM view of the center channel versus the Hindu view?

It is a physical structure in the human body. In general, the central channel can be considered the entire arterial system.

Wow, this is something I have never heard. With this understanding, could you explain what would be meant by gathering the winds into the central channel? And furthermore, what the 2 side channels would be? Thank you.

The two "side" channels are the venous system (roma or rasanā) and the spinal column and nervous system (rkyang ma or lalanā).

It means that the vāyus gather in the aorta.

[dakini_boi]

Is there a Western medical equivalent to the vayus? In other words, in Western terms, what is it that gathers into the aorta?

[Malcolm]

Is there a Western medical equivalent to the vayus? In other words, in Western terms, what is it that gathers into the aorta?

There is no equivalent. However, what gathers is the element of air in the body.

[Enochian]

This doesn't make sense at all in the light of Dzogchen's crystal channels.

[Malcolm]

This doesn't make sense at all in the light of Dzogchen's crystal channels.

Of course it does. But I am not going to discuss that here more than to say this kind of anatomy is wrapped in metaphor. When one has studied Tibetan medicine, many things become obvious that seem mysterious and mystical in Dzogchen.

Here is a hint "white silk thread" is common Tibetan medical term for nerve fibers in the body, for example, that run from the brain to all the internal organs, etc.

But in reality, it is all about physical structures in the body and how to manipulate them.

[Enochian]

But in reality, it is all about physical structures in the body and how to manipulate them.

Couldn't you just compress on some arteries, veins etc. with your hands and experience clear light?

[Josef]

But in reality, it is all about physical structures in the body and how to manipulate them.

Couldn't you just compress on some arteries, veins etc. with your hands and experience clear light?

If you figure out how to reach in there and give your aorta a squeeze let me know.
That would be something to see.

[Enochian]

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[Adamantine]

This doesn't make sense at all in the light of Dzogchen's crystal channels.

Of course it does. But I am not going to discuss that here more than to say this kind of anatomy is wrapped in metaphor. When one has studied Tibetan medicine, many things become obvious that seem mysterious and mystical in Dzogchen.

Here is a hint "white silk thread" is common Tibetan medical term for nerve fibers in the body, for example, that run from the brain to all the internal organs, etc.

But in reality, it is all about physical structures in the body and how to manipulate them.

Why then would such elaborate visualizations be prescribed for tsa-lung practice which don't correspond remotely to the actual physical structures? There seems to be more in play than mere metaphor.

[adinatha]

This doesn't make sense at all in the light of Dzogchen's crystal channels.

Of course it does. But I am not going to discuss that here more than to say this kind of anatomy is wrapped in metaphor. When one has studied Tibetan medicine, many things become obvious that seem mysterious and mystical in Dzogchen.

Here is a hint "white silk thread" is common Tibetan medical term for nerve fibers in the body, for example, that run from the brain to all the internal organs, etc.

But in reality, it is all about physical structures in the body and how to manipulate them.

Why then would such elaborate visualizations be prescribed for tsa-lung practice which don't correspond remotely to the actual physical structures? There seems to be more in play than mere metaphor.

The visualizations in deity yoga and tsa-lung totally correspond. The way you visualize doesn't have to be precise to activate the physical region.

[adinatha]

This doesn't make sense at all in the light of Dzogchen's crystal channels.

Of course it does. But I am not going to discuss that here more than to say this kind of anatomy is wrapped in metaphor. When one has studied Tibetan medicine, many things become obvious that seem mysterious and mystical in Dzogchen.

Here is a hint "white silk thread" is common Tibetan medical term for nerve fibers in the body, for example, that run from the brain to all the internal organs, etc.

But in reality, it is all about physical structures in the body and how to manipulate them.

The texts on crystal kati say it is primordially pure, not polluted by red or white. I thought this indicated it was not a nerve or a blood vessel, but something else, similar to the eye faculty.

[Malcolm]

This doesn't make sense at all in the light of Dzogchen's crystal channels.

Of course it does. But I am not going to discuss that here more than to say this kind of anatomy is wrapped in metaphor. When one has studied Tibetan medicine, many things become obvious that seem mysterious and mystical in Dzogchen.

Here is a hint "white silk thread" is common Tibetan medical term for nerve fibers in the body, for example, that run from the brain to all the internal organs, etc.

But in reality, it is all about physical structures in the body and how to manipulate them.

The texts on crystal kati say it is primordially pure, not polluted by red or white. I thought this indicated it was not a nerve or a blood vessel, but something else, similar to the eye faculty.

You misread -- it is channel that is not filled with blood or lymph. The reason it is called "a white silk thread" is because it is a nerve. This is common euphemism for nerves.

N

[adinatha]

You misread -- it is channel that is not filled with blood or lymph. The reason it is called "a white silk thread" is because it is a nerve. This is common euphemism for nerves.

N

Thank you for that clarification. Which nerve are we talking about then? Vagus?

[Malcolm]

You misread -- it is channel that is not filled with blood or lymph. The reason it is called "a white silk thread" is because it is a nerve. This is common euphemism for nerves.

N

Thank you for that clarification. Which nerve are we talking about then? Vagus?

Altogether, the optical housing and the optical nerve.

[adinatha]

You misread -- it is channel that is not filled with blood or lymph. The reason it is called "a white silk thread" is because it is a nerve. This is common euphemism for nerves.

N

Thank you for that clarification. Which nerve are we talking about then? Vagus?

Altogether, the optical housing and the optical nerve.

So then what goes down the sides of the neck and into the heart? I see vagus and phrenic nerves. Vagus powers the heart; phrenic the diaphragm.