Rainbow Body Misconception

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Re: Rainbow Body Misconception

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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
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Re: Rainbow Body Misconception

Postby Enochian » Thu Apr 14, 2011 3:31 pm

There is an ever-present freedom from grasping the mind.

Mind being defined as the thing always on the Three Times.

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Re: Rainbow Body Misconception

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Re: Rainbow Body Misconception

Postby Enochian » Thu Apr 14, 2011 3:50 pm

There is an ever-present freedom from grasping the mind.

Mind being defined as the thing always on the Three Times.

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Re: Rainbow Body Misconception

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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: Rainbow Body Misconception

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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: Rainbow Body Misconception

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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
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— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: Rainbow Body Misconception

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Re: Rainbow Body Misconception

Postby Josef » Thu Apr 14, 2011 4:51 pm

Kind of mixing threads here but I found this conversation from the "Yidam and Dzogchen" thread to be really fascinating and I think it is relevant here.
Namdrol, in that thread you made this post:
"It is because buddhahood of lower yānas is incomplete and does not reach the stage of ka dag chen po, great original purity. The simplest way to explain it is that after the this universe dissolves and the next one arises, those beings who have not achieved the stage of ka dag chen po start all over."

Now, are both abhisambodhi and samyaksambodhi at the stage of kadag chenpo?
And also, since the primordial wisdoms, elements etc. are present in every sentient being and are fully integrated at this stage, how does one who attains this stage escape returning to samsara when this universe dissolves and a new one comes into being? Is it simply that kadag chenpo is beyond any and all implications of a "universe"?
thanks for any more details you can provide on this.

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Re: Rainbow Body Misconception

Postby Indrajala » Thu Apr 14, 2011 5:06 pm

Please keep on topic and don't misrepresent or put words into your opponent's mouth.
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Re: Rainbow Body Misconception

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Free of hope and fear, relax.
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Re: Rainbow Body Misconception

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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
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— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: Rainbow Body Misconception

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Bodhidharma [my translation]
―I come to the East to transmit this clear knowing mind without constructing any dharma―

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Re: Rainbow Body Misconception

Postby Malcolm » Thu Apr 14, 2011 6:35 pm





འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: Rainbow Body Misconception

Postby tamdrin » Thu Apr 14, 2011 6:55 pm

just to note.. bodhisattvas on the 8th stage are considered to have reached the level of arhats in terms of freedom from afflictive obscurations.

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Re: Rainbow Body Misconception

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Bodhidharma [my translation]
―I come to the East to transmit this clear knowing mind without constructing any dharma―

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Re: Rainbow Body Misconception

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Re: Rainbow Body Misconception

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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa


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