Looking for info on Tibetan demonology
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Looking for info on Tibetan demonology
I am looking for good sources on information on Tibetan demonology. (I here use the term "demon" in the widest sense; including the four demons of Dharma, the four Demons of chö, rudras etc. etc.)
Thank you.
Best Regards,
Jens
Thank you.
Best Regards,
Jens
Re: Looking for info on Tibetan demonology
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Re: Looking for info on Tibetan demonology
"Machik's Complete Explanation" is full of descriptions of such beings.Dharmaswede wrote:I am looking for good sources on information on Tibetan demonology. (I here use the term "demon" in the widest sense; including the four demons of Dharma, the four Demons of chö, rudras etc. etc.)
Thank you.
Best Regards,
Jens
"All the sublime teachings, so profound--to throw away one and then grab yet another will not bear even a single fruit. Persevere, therefore, in simply one."
--Dudjom Rinpoche, "Nectar for the Hearts of Fortunate Disciples. Song No. 8"
--Dudjom Rinpoche, "Nectar for the Hearts of Fortunate Disciples. Song No. 8"
Re: Looking for info on Tibetan demonology
Dharmaswede wrote:I am looking for good sources on information on Tibetan demonology. (I here use the term "demon" in the widest sense; including the four demons of Dharma, the four Demons of chö, rudras etc. etc.)
Thank you.
Best Regards,
Jens
the book "Gods and Demons of Tibet".
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Re: Looking for info on Tibetan demonology
Also the famous text The 100,000 Songs of Milarepa has quite a variety of demons showing up here and there. . .and portrays Milarepa's experience of the demons, illustrating how an advanced practitioner may encounter these forces .
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Detachment is the final happiness. ~Sri Saraha
Detachment is the final happiness. ~Sri Saraha
Re: Looking for info on Tibetan demonology
Scuse me for being nosy, but, why?Dharmaswede wrote:I am looking for good sources on information on Tibetan demonology. (I here use the term "demon" in the widest sense; including the four demons of Dharma, the four Demons of chö, rudras etc. etc.)
"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE
"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
The Fundamental Tantra of Dzogchen Semde
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE
"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
The Fundamental Tantra of Dzogchen Semde
Re: Looking for info on Tibetan demonology
oracles and demons of tibet, by rene de nebesky and wojkowitz
Re: Looking for info on Tibetan demonology
Heruka wrote:oracles and demons of tibet, by rene de nebesky and wojkowitz
right.
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Re: Looking for info on Tibetan demonology
Many reasons, but at this point mainly because I have an interest in Machik's teachings – and I think it is then pertinent to mull over what the terms demons and demonic denotate. Furthermore, as an absolute beginner I find it intriguing that there is not consensus among some senior Western practitioners as to whether demons are conventionally real, i.e. 'real' entities, or not.gregkavarnos wrote:
Scuse me for being nosy, but, why?
Best Regards,
Jens
Re: Looking for info on Tibetan demonology
This is because those that negate the conventional existence of the genii locorum in general are not understanding how the six realms actually function.Dharmaswede wrote:Many reasons, but at this point mainly because I have an interest in Machik's teachings – and I think it is then pertinent to mull over what the terms demons and demonic denotate. Furthermore, as an absolute beginner I find it intriguing that there is not consensus among some senior Western practitioners as to whether demons are conventionally real, i.e. 'real' entities, or not.gregkavarnos wrote:
Scuse me for being nosy, but, why?
Best Regards,
Jens
For the most part, the experiential realm of gods and demons is the same as ours, but it is cognitively closed to most human beings.
Those people who negate the existence of such non-human beings completely are like ants on a leaf arguing about whether humans exist or not.
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Re: Looking for info on Tibetan demonology
Ha! That's funny.
Actually, you won't get consensus about whether ANYTHING or ANYONE exists conventionally or not, so demons are just another example.
I'm just clowning a bit.
Actually, you won't get consensus about whether ANYTHING or ANYONE exists conventionally or not, so demons are just another example.
I'm just clowning a bit.
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"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
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རྟོག་གེའི་ཡུལ་མིན་བླ་མའི་བྱིན་རླབས་དང་།
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དེ་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ལ་ནི་ལོ་རྟོག་སེལ།།
"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")
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Re: Looking for info on Tibetan demonology
Can anyone provide me with the author's and publisher's name of "Gods and Demons of Tibet" ?Namdrol wrote:Dharmaswede wrote:I am looking for good sources on information on Tibetan demonology. (I here use the term "demon" in the widest sense; including the four demons of Dharma, the four Demons of chö, rudras etc. etc.)
Thank you.
Best Regards,
Jens
the book "Gods and Demons of Tibet".
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Re: Looking for info on Tibetan demonology
someone did provide author's name....already.
rene de nebesky and wojkowitz
དམ་པའི་དོན་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ཆེ་བ་དང་།
རྟོག་གེའི་ཡུལ་མིན་བླ་མའི་བྱིན་རླབས་དང་།
སྐལ་ལྡན་ལས་འཕྲོ་ཅན་གྱིས་རྟོགས་པ་སྟེ།
དེ་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ལ་ནི་ལོ་རྟོག་སེལ།།
"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")
རྟོག་གེའི་ཡུལ་མིན་བླ་མའི་བྱིན་རླབས་དང་།
སྐལ་ལྡན་ལས་འཕྲོ་ཅན་གྱིས་རྟོགས་པ་སྟེ།
དེ་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ལ་ནི་ལོ་རྟོག་སེལ།།
"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")
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Re: Looking for info on Tibetan demonology
So it can be assumed that Namdrol was refering to the classic book: 'Oracles and Demons of Tibet'. Sorry for my misunderstanding...conebeckham wrote:someone did provide author's name....already.
rene de nebesky and wojkowitz
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Re: Looking for info on Tibetan demonology
No prob, and yes, that's the actual title. "Oracles," not "Gods," that is....
དམ་པའི་དོན་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ཆེ་བ་དང་།
རྟོག་གེའི་ཡུལ་མིན་བླ་མའི་བྱིན་རླབས་དང་།
སྐལ་ལྡན་ལས་འཕྲོ་ཅན་གྱིས་རྟོགས་པ་སྟེ།
དེ་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ལ་ནི་ལོ་རྟོག་སེལ།།
"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")
རྟོག་གེའི་ཡུལ་མིན་བླ་མའི་བྱིན་རླབས་དང་།
སྐལ་ལྡན་ལས་འཕྲོ་ཅན་གྱིས་རྟོགས་པ་སྟེ།
དེ་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ལ་ནི་ལོ་རྟོག་སེལ།།
"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")