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PostPosted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 3:15 pm 
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David Cameron has suggested that Britain and the legacy of its empire was responsible for many of the world's historic problems (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/a-world-of-troubles-ndash-all-made-in-britain-2264328.html).

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No mention made of the genocide of the Aborigines of Australia, the attempted genocide of the Maori of Aotearoa (they were a tough nut!), the colonisation of North America and the genocide of the North American Indian nations, etc...

Yes my friend Huseng, the UK has a lot to answer for.
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KwanSeum wrote:
David Cameron has suggested that Britain and the legacy of its empire was responsible for many of the world's historic problems (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/a-world-of-troubles-ndash-all-made-in-britain-2264328.html).


A conservative that I agree with! We should go back in time to the 12th century and make sure that those mud hut living people never advance beyond their island. That way someone else can traipse through history raping human kind and divesting it of life and liberty - like the Spanish and Portuguese - oh they did that too!!

Guns, Germs and Steel. Certainly I would be surprised if most worlds didn't go through this several millennial period.

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Consider how the borders were drawn and how peoples were moved about in different instances of British colonial rule, and you'll see that the roots of many contemporary conflicts are indeed born of British practices of divide-and-keep-divided. How did the Tamils wind up in Sri Lanka in the first place? How did Iraq, such an unstable mix of cultures and constituencies, wind up lumped together into one unit, with the Kurds split in half? How about Sudan divided against itself? Partition in India? It just keeps going.

John Bull isn't responsible for all of it, though. The French did a fine job of their share, too, and Uncle Sam got his hands in the mud as well, &c.

Great reading: The Many-Headed Hydra, by Linebaugh & Rediker, shows the history of some of this in the Atlantic world.

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KwanSeum wrote:
David Cameron has suggested that Britain and the legacy of its empire was responsible for many of the world's historic problems (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/a-world-of-troubles-ndash-all-made-in-britain-2264328.html).

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This is a no-brainer for anyone who has studied history.

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Indeed, and India, China, Burma, S. Agfrica, Iraq, Afghanistan...

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People are always looking for something to blame, Funnily enough they never look for solutions... :thinking:

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 6:23 pm 
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It's got nothing to do with blame and everything to do with accepting responsibility in order for reconciliation to occur.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 6:30 pm 
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Caz wrote:
People are always looking for something to blame, Funnily enough they never look for solutions... :thinking:


Perhaps.

Trying to understand the underlying causes of something is often necessary to coming up with workable solutions. Example: you can't very well find a solution to the problem of obesity in North America without coming to grips with the causes of obesity (diet, lifestyle habits, poverty, access to proper health care & education, and so on). This is different from trying to assign blame for something in a guilt-trippy passive-aggressive sense.

If you want solutions, you need knowledge... "causal knowledge" as the brilliant (and English) historian Perry Anderson put it

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Caz wrote:
People are always looking for something to blame, Funnily enough they never look for solutions... :thinking:



In order to cure someone of a disease, one must first ascertain why they have it. As long as the disease's cause remains undiagnosed, the disease cannot be cured.

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There are no solutions to samsara in samsaric means. :guns:

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Caz wrote:
There are no solutions to samsara in samsaric means. :guns:



There are solutions, just not permanent ones. Still, you take medicine when you are sick, no?

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My Brother framed the Mau Mau warrior from the cover of Life magazine and had it up in his bedroom....

anyway....take Iraq...three distinct peoples...Kurds, Shite and Suni..instead of making three countries they bind them together ..why ?so they can supply arms....police them...and make money of it...

Kashmir another tactic....

everywhere they gave back the colonies they created trouble....

Israel...uuuuu don't mention that it was born from terrorist attacks on the British whilst occupying palestine....

check out the movie Exodus and watch with the eyes of 9/11.....

Bastards the lot of em....
and america is doing the same....

CIA admitted they are in Lybia....

hell ...war and the military economy is doing better than ever.....and more fronts on the horizen.....yay!!!!

those Tomahawk missiles have a shelf life ya know...can't waste em.....

itsa a friggin nightmare....and i have to watch the Royal wedding or me wife will start biting the bag again ....

bullocks and mor bullocks...

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There are no solutions to samsara in samsaric means. :guns:



There are solutions, just not permanent ones. Still, you take medicine when you are sick, no?


Tis true but there never has been any benifit from pointing the finger of blame. :popcorn:

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Caz wrote:

Tis true but there never has been any benifit from pointing the finger of blame. :popcorn:


Apart from Cameron, has anyone in this thread praised the merits of pointing the finger of blame?

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor

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To be fair, it wasn't just the Brits. All the European nations were competing to build the biggest empire. The fact that the British won the contest may make them a little guiltier than the others, but they all were doing the same thing.


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Namdrol wrote:


This is a no-brainer for anyone who has studied history.



colonization is still on going, fear, paranoia and war with barbarians still blazes on the edge and borders of empires, as told by the central control authority. nothing new or historical under the sun. Cameron is a globalist new world order lap dog, like gordon brown and the other sock puppets. the C.O.G (continuity of government) still goes on regardless of who is the front man. the great game never went away, only the language and face was changed.


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The fact that the British won the contest may make them a little guiltier than the others, but they all were doing the same thing.



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