eastern buddhism = the new western counter culture

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Re: eastern buddhism = the new western counter culture

Postby retrofuturist » Thu Mar 31, 2011 4:34 am

Greetings Heruka,
Heruka wrote:you been had.

No, I just don't care.

I've got more important things to focus on, such as dukkha (suffering) and nirodha (its cessation).

Y'know... Dharma.

:buddha2:

Maitri,
Retro. :)
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Re: eastern buddhism = the new western counter culture

Postby Heruka » Thu Mar 31, 2011 4:43 am

retrofuturist wrote:Greetings Heruka,
Heruka wrote:you been had.

No, I just don't care.

I've got more important things to focus on, such as dukkha (suffering) and nirodha (its cessation).

Y'know... Dharma.

:buddha2:

Maitri,
Retro. :)



i understand,

dharma for oneself...

dharmawheel was a project to refute mahayana concern for others....hinayana was the project......i get it man, remember?.



retro is cool.

element is cool

stuka is cool



and so on.
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Re: eastern buddhism = the new western counter culture

Postby Heruka » Thu Mar 31, 2011 4:51 am

=counter culture....is the question, and does the control freak taiwan, chinese, Singapore government social control have influence in its export to the west?
and yes even Australia, on western thought?
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Re: eastern buddhism = the new western counter culture

Postby retrofuturist » Thu Mar 31, 2011 4:56 am

Greetings Heruka,

Heruka wrote:classic "play the man" and not the game stuff.

I trust the irony of your words is not lost on you given your last posting...

Heruka wrote:dharmawheel was a project to refute mahayana concern for others....hinayana was the project......i get it man, remember?.

If you want to take that angle, it's hard to see how you're alleviating anyone's suffering through this conversation, let alone your own.

Maitri,
Retro. 8-)
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Re: eastern buddhism = the new western counter culture

Postby ground » Thu Mar 31, 2011 5:03 am

Heruka wrote:dharmawheel was a project to refute mahayana concern for others....hinayana was the project......i get it man, remember?.


How can "concern for others" be refuted? Either there is this concern or it is not.

Seems you are confusing "views" and "tenets" with such a concern.


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Re: eastern buddhism = the new western counter culture

Postby mindyourmind » Thu Mar 31, 2011 6:02 am

Heruka

You sound quite frustrated ... with much more than Buddhism.
While you pose a question to us, you seem to have already made up your mind, and anything that deviates from that preconception seems to irritate you.

That makes any meaningful discussion rather difficult :shrug:
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Re: eastern buddhism = the new western counter culture

Postby KwanSeum » Thu Mar 31, 2011 6:18 am

Nangwa wrote:What is "eastern Buddhism"?
Indeed. Furthermore, what is Western culture?
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Re: eastern buddhism = the new western counter culture

Postby muni » Thu Mar 31, 2011 9:25 am

Pointing is possible to our delusions.
Mind (subject) takes what fit (object) in ones so called understanding. Dualism. There cannot be any conceptual rejection, any need to add something or analysis or conceptual investigation in understanding by nondual Buddhism. The winner, the loser, the correct one, the wrong one in dualism is dreamlike. By that no any clarity rather confusion by play.

In nondualism is no "compounded separated one who is just not suffering". Imagination.

Pure altruism. If misunderstood, one sees limitations.

Then all notions to subjects-objects collaps:
" All so percieved external world is neither mind nor anything but mind ". Longchenpa.
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Re: eastern buddhism = the new western counter culture

Postby Heruka » Fri Apr 01, 2011 5:21 am

retrofuturist wrote:If you want to take that angle, it's hard to see how you're alleviating anyone's suffering through this conversation, let alone your own.

Maitri,
Retro. 8-)


element is cool

stuka is cool

esangha is down



lol

problem is, attached to the pacification are messages of import, not connected to the buddhas teachings, or did we in our bleeding liberal do good hearts neglect to see?


the counter culture is subterfuge.

good luck unravelling that one.

:namaste:

but keep playing the man, its easier and lazier.

no harm no foul!
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Re: eastern buddhism = the new western counter culture

Postby Heruka » Fri Apr 01, 2011 5:24 am

retrofuturist wrote:I've got more important things to focus on, such as dukkha (suffering) and nirodha (its cessation).

Y'know... Dharma.

:buddha2:

Maitri,
Retro. :)



yeah, the self is more important.

:namaste:
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Re: eastern buddhism = the new western counter culture

Postby Heruka » Fri Apr 01, 2011 5:26 am

mindyourmind wrote:Heruka

You sound quite frustrated ... with much more than Buddhism.
:


no only with sleepy foggy buddhists.

the rest of the world is grinding on without you.
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Re: eastern buddhism = the new western counter culture

Postby Heruka » Fri Apr 01, 2011 5:29 am

KwanSeum wrote:
Nangwa wrote:What is "eastern Buddhism"?
Indeed. Furthermore, what is Western culture?



deception?

hollywood?

i mean do you even know what the word entertainment means>

break it down into its parts.

tain is old latin french for mirror like, ment is a verb word of action, so to enter into the mirror like reality.
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Re: eastern buddhism = the new western counter culture

Postby Heruka » Fri Apr 01, 2011 5:30 am

TMingyur wrote:
Heruka wrote:dharmawheel was a project to refute mahayana concern for others....hinayana was the project......i get it man, remember?.


How can "concern for others" be refuted? Either there is this concern or it is not.

Seems you are confusing "views" and "tenets" with such a concern.


Kind regards


i have no idea what you have said.
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Re: eastern buddhism = the new western counter culture

Postby KwanSeum » Fri Apr 01, 2011 5:41 am

Heruka wrote:
KwanSeum wrote:
Nangwa wrote:What is "eastern Buddhism"?
Indeed. Furthermore, what is Western culture?



deception?

hollywood?

i mean do you even know what the word entertainment means>

break it down into its parts.

tain is old latin french for mirror like, ment is a verb word of action, so to enter into the mirror like reality.
I too have no idea what you have just said.
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Re: eastern buddhism = the new western counter culture

Postby Heruka » Fri Apr 01, 2011 5:47 am

KwanSeum wrote:I too have no idea what you have just said.



no, i think this is just being flippant and glib and lazy, you seem quite sharp in your savy anti royalist rants, which would imply you have some idea of what your saying, what im saying is not that difficult to understand compared to the logic of creating a republic..... :smile:


did you read the english words?

do you care to try to answer my posed question of a counter culture?
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Re: eastern buddhism = the new western counter culture

Postby Rael » Fri Apr 01, 2011 6:55 am

Art is everything.
counter culture is art...
without counter culture everything stagnates.

the classics remain classic...
we realize our classic view is obviously superior when counter culture dictates....
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Re: eastern buddhism = the new western counter culture

Postby mindyourmind » Fri Apr 01, 2011 7:02 am

Heruka wrote:
mindyourmind wrote:Heruka

You sound quite frustrated ... with much more than Buddhism.
:


no only with sleepy foggy buddhists.

the rest of the world is grinding on without you.


You have some interesting ideas about what constitutes a polite and interesting discussion. Maybe your take on "sleepy" and "foggy" comes from people not agreeing with you? Or you not being able to convey your thoughts and ideas clearly?
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Re: eastern buddhism = the new western counter culture

Postby shel » Fri Apr 01, 2011 7:17 pm

I don't see it myself, how Buddhism is countercultural in the West, if that's what's being suggested. If that's what's being suggested I'd like to hear more about it.
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Re: eastern buddhism = the new western counter culture

Postby KwanSeum » Fri Apr 01, 2011 8:53 pm

Heruka wrote:
KwanSeum wrote:...you seem quite sharp in your savy anti royalist rants, which would imply you have some idea of what your saying, what im saying is not that difficult to understand compared to the logic of creating a republic..... :smile:
My son came to me yesterday and said, "do you think England would be better without a Queen" and I replied, "not really. I don't see it making any difference at all". Then I asked him, "where did that idea come from?" and he replied, "you mentioned it before when talking to your friends" - LOL! To be honest with the exception of 'cultivation' most things I say are playful, flippant, glib and lazy. I can't see that there's any contradiction to thinking the whole royalty thing a bit preposterous but still wishing them all well.

And to answer your question, 'no' I don't believe Buddhism is counter cultural. I think the Christian tradition has lots in common with Buddhism (priesthoods, monks, the instruction to give up all material things and focus on cultivation) and some differences too. Also I think there is no such thing as 'western culture' espically in this age of multiculturalism.
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Re: eastern buddhism = the new western counter culture

Postby Heruka » Sat Apr 02, 2011 2:55 am

ok, let me help out a little bit with simple definition, and cool the tempers of defence.

Counterculture can also be described as deviating away from the norm of society, or what is perceived to be normal. This deviation takes a group or behavior to be segregated from the norms.

keep in mind this is just one side to the equation.

and im trying to give a lollipop to anyone that can see what is at its base!

its either 2+2=4

or 2+2=5

it is either control

or freedom.


just seeing if your on a closed path of control, or an open path to freedom.

btw, buddhism is littered with theological neologism
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