TMingyur wrote:I cannot follow your logic either. Nevermind.
I've reflected on it some more and I do understand your points. I think the differences we've expressed are merely because we are discussing something on the level of relative, subjective, illusory experience-- and neither of us can really know what that experience is like coming into the world- - from the point of conception through actual birth. Unless, of course, we have intact memories of it. I don't and I assume most people don't. So we may both be correct, as different beings may experience birth in different ways, according to their karma. Some may feel terribly alone, some may feel greatly cared for and encompassed by others. I am assuming we are discussing the subjective experience of 'alone' and not the larger ontological status of self and other.
Strange. Now in that you are writing "Some may feel terribly alone, some may feel greatly cared for and encompassed by others.
" it seems you are defining the topic as that which I have explicitly excluded above:
TMingyur wrote:Please note "being alone" it appears that this is sometimes mentally confused with "feeling alone" which is not the topic here.
But I am not referring to any "ontological" status either. Ontology is completely incompatible with dharma from my perspective. Since the aggregates cannot leave their own sphere there is always some sort of "isolation" which I am referring to as "being alone" (not "feeling alone"). Of course in a sense when saying "isolation" this is inconsistent because "isolation from what?" actually cannot be answered, so the term "alone" appears more appropriate.