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The Paradox of Becoming - Thanissaro Bhikkhu

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The Paradox of Becoming - Thanissaro Bhikkhu

Postby retrofuturist » Tue Jan 20, 2009 12:06 am

Greetings,

I've noticed there's been a bit of contention about becoming, birth and so on in the context of the Dhamma, and specifically dependent origination.

Therefore, here's a text specifically addressing "becoming"...

The Paradox of Becoming - Thanissaro Bhikkhu
http://dhammatalks.org/Archive/Writings ... coming.pdf

Unfortunately I can't verify the URL (because for some odd reason the site is blocked on this computer) so if someone tries to download it can you please advise if you were successful. Thanks.

Feel free to discuss, critique, ask questions about the text etc.

Metta,
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"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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Re: The Paradox of Becoming - Thanissaro Bhikkhu

Postby Dhammanando » Tue Jan 20, 2009 12:32 am

The link works.

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Re: The Paradox of Becoming - Thanissaro Bhikkhu

Postby Jason » Tue Jan 20, 2009 2:23 am

I suggest listening to these two related audio talks as well: and .
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Re: The Paradox of Becoming - Thanissaro Bhikkhu

Postby kowtaaia » Tue Jan 20, 2009 2:56 am

Is it really necessary to read the linked text and listen to the audio talks? Any chance that someone can just say what the supposed paradox is supposed to be? :popcorn:

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Re: The Paradox of Becoming - Thanissaro Bhikkhu

Postby retrofuturist » Tue Jan 20, 2009 3:02 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: The Paradox of Becoming - Thanissaro Bhikkhu

Postby kowtaaia » Tue Jan 20, 2009 4:00 am

Greetings Retro,

Is there really such a thing as 'desire for unbinding'? Surely, longing is in relation to the idea of it.

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Re: The Paradox of Becoming - Thanissaro Bhikkhu

Postby retrofuturist » Tue Jan 20, 2009 4:04 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: a mundane view

Postby Will » Tue Jan 20, 2009 4:21 am

Cannot craving for "becoming" or existence be also thought of as craving for repeated literal rebirths or extension of a lifetime? If so, could not craving for non-becoming be thought of as wishing for early death, suicide or any thing that obliterates normal consciousness - such as drugs or alcohol?
A bodhisattva does not become weary of evil beings nor does he commit the error of bringing forth thoughts inclined to reject them and cast them aside. Avatamsaka Sutra, ch. 25

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Re: The Paradox of Becoming - Thanissaro Bhikkhu

Postby retrofuturist » Tue Jan 20, 2009 4:27 am

Greetings Will,

Yes and yes.

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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: The Paradox of Becoming - Thanissaro Bhikkhu

Postby retrofuturist » Fri Feb 06, 2009 10:54 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine


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