William Bodri and Nan Huai-Chin

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Re: William Bodri and Nan Huai-Chin

Postby r9reen » Wed Mar 30, 2011 10:09 am

"Originally there is no tree of enlightnment,
Nor is there a stand with a clear mirror.
From the beginning not one thing exists;
Where, then, is a grain of dust to cling?"
(Hui Neng, 6th Zen Patriarch)

All this talk about clearing the mind, stopping thoughts, and contemplating the mind reminds me of the northern school of the pre Hui Neng era. It expresses an inferior understanding of the sutras. The school of sudden enlightenment teaches that there is absolutely nothing to clean or fix and that things are what they are; progress is just another illusion.

When we *suddenly* realize that there is nothing to find or understand, we become enlightened. For what is maya? it is the illusion that things such as sickness, mind, dust, and cleaning the mind exist as such! From the beginning, nothing is...

Beware of merchants and copy/paste digital vampires ;-) You want to learn (although at the end you'll understand that there is nothing to learn)? Stick to the classics; read the great ancient masters for free on the internet. If you ever feel the need for guidance, seek official authorities, temples and schools. And remember not to rush... because the ultimate truth (which is absolutely nothing!) can wait forever :rolling:

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Re: William Bodri and Nan Huai-Chin

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Re: William Bodri and Nan Huai-Chin

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Re: William Bodri and Nan Huai-Chin

Postby r9reen » Thu Mar 31, 2011 7:40 am

Agree. See, when you perceive the Dharmakaya as you say, you reach the source of everything; when you dwell in Dharmakaya, you are transformed by Dharmakaya and all "truths" and concepts such as rebirth, the three bodies, and so on start to melt and fade away: when the butterfly finally flies, the concepts and realities of the egg, the larva and the pupa lose their meanings (raison d'être) and cease to exist.

Such transformation is achieved naturally and automatically; there is no conscious effort involved. I am not implying that religions, disciplines, and practices are useless. In fact, even though enlightenment happens spontaneously, practices and disciplines increase the chance to encounter enlightenment: it's like trying to crack the secret code of a lock or safe; the more combinations you try, the more likely you will find the right code to unlock the safe -- theoretically at least. Therefore, practices and disciplines are important indeed but one should know and remember that they are vehicles and not destinations.

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Re: William Bodri and Nan Huai-Chin

Postby LastLegend » Sat Apr 02, 2011 5:51 pm

NAMO AMITABHA
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Bodhidharma [my translation]
―I come to the East to transmit this clear knowing mind without constructing any dharma―

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Re: William Bodri and Nan Huai-Chin

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Re: William Bodri and Nan Huai-Chin

Postby Astus » Sun Apr 03, 2011 8:11 pm

Huangbo (Wanling Record) answers the questions on the trikaya and the different practices necessary:

佛真法身猶若虛空。不用別求。有求皆苦。設使恒沙劫行六度萬行得佛菩提。亦非究竟。何以故。為屬因緣造作故。因緣若盡還歸無常。所以云。報化非真佛。亦非說法者。但識自心。無我無人本來是佛。(T48n2012Bp0384b04-08)

"Therefore, the real Dharmakaya is just voidness. It is not necessary to seek anything whatsoever, and all who do continue to seek for something only prolong their suffering in samsara. Even if they were to practice the Six Paramitas for as many numberless kalpas as there are sandgrains in the Ganges River, they would still not reach the Supreme Stage. And why not? Just because such practice depends on primary and secondary causes, and when these causes separate, the practitioner of this path will still have only reached a stage of impermanence. Therefore, even the Sambhogakaya and the Nirmanakaya are not the real Buddha. Also, the one who spreads Dharma is not the real Buddha. In reality, therefore, everybody should recognize that only one's own Mind is the Original Buddha."
Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.



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Re: William Bodri and Nan Huai-Chin

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Re: William Bodri and Nan Huai-Chin

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Re: William Bodri and Nan Huai-Chin

Postby LastLegend » Mon Apr 04, 2011 3:17 am

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Bodhidharma [my translation]
―I come to the East to transmit this clear knowing mind without constructing any dharma―

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Re: William Bodri and Nan Huai-Chin

Postby Astus » Mon Apr 04, 2011 11:00 am

There is the gradual path of developing wisdom for dharmakaya and accumulating merits for rupakaya. However, Zen is the direct path of sudden enlightenment, seeing nature is becoming buddha as there is no buddha outside the mind. These are the fundamental doctrines of Zen, and while teaching different methods and paths is not incorrect they are part of the gradual teachings that ultimately lead to seeing nature and becoming buddha.
Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.



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Re: William Bodri and Nan Huai-Chin

Postby LastLegend » Mon Apr 04, 2011 3:14 pm

NAMO AMITABHA
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Bodhidharma [my translation]
―I come to the East to transmit this clear knowing mind without constructing any dharma―

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Re: William Bodri and Nan Huai-Chin

Postby LastLegend » Tue Apr 05, 2011 2:24 am

NAMO AMITABHA
NAM MO A DI DA PHAT (VIETNAMESE)
NAMO AMITUOFO (CHINESE)

Bodhidharma [my translation]
―I come to the East to transmit this clear knowing mind without constructing any dharma―

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Re: William Bodri and Nan Huai-Chin

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Re: William Bodri and Nan Huai-Chin

Postby Astus » Tue Apr 05, 2011 2:34 pm

Here's a from the Bodri website. Quote from there,

"Buddhism, Taoism, Hinduism and Christianity speak openly of this trio of principles or "bodies" that must be mastered for complete spiritual attainment. Whether we call this trio Father-Son-Holy Ghost, dharmakaya-sambhogakaya-nirmanakaya, essence-appearance-function, or Brahman-Vishnu-Shiva, they are all synonymous with the same set of principles."
Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.



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Re: William Bodri and Nan Huai-Chin

Postby LastLegend » Tue Apr 05, 2011 6:48 pm

NAMO AMITABHA
NAM MO A DI DA PHAT (VIETNAMESE)
NAMO AMITUOFO (CHINESE)

Bodhidharma [my translation]
―I come to the East to transmit this clear knowing mind without constructing any dharma―

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Re: William Bodri and Nan Huai-Chin

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Re: William Bodri and Nan Huai-Chin

Postby LastLegend » Thu Apr 07, 2011 3:35 am

NAMO AMITABHA
NAM MO A DI DA PHAT (VIETNAMESE)
NAMO AMITUOFO (CHINESE)

Bodhidharma [my translation]
―I come to the East to transmit this clear knowing mind without constructing any dharma―


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