Getting to Lotus Pose

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Postby Luke » Thu Jun 25, 2009 12:42 am

I got into half lotus or very close for the first time today.

I went running and then did all kinds of leg stretches afterwards. Then I got into quarter lotus and leaned my torso to the sides and to the front and to the back to warm up. Then I placed my top foot on the midpoint of my thigh (in between quarter and half lotus) and waited for my muscles to stretch. Then I placed the foot near my hip in half lotus.

I can already feel my leg muscles getting sore now. Hopefully I'll be able to walk tomorrow...

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Re: Getting to Lotus Pose

Postby hungryghost » Wed Oct 28, 2009 5:51 am

I've being sitting zazen for about 4 years now, mostly in the half lotus.
I started out just getting into the half lotus and dealing with the discomfort, sitting for 25 minutes, 30 minutes. then with a sangha, 25 minutes twice, or 35 minutes 3 times with walking meditation in between.
The pain was in my instep and my thigh muscles got sore. Very rarely did my knees hurt. Now its almost effortless. I think if you just start doing it, your body will adjust. This of course is for the half lotus I cant really get into the full lotus very well..i'm working on it. Ive heard it said that aching pain in the knees is OK, and you can just deal with it. Sharp or stabbing pains are NO GOOD and you should change posture immediately.
Also, I've found during retreats that bodily pain subsides some after 4 days or so, as the body-mind is more relaxed.
I think that learning to sit with some pain now and then is a positive thing. you can change your relationship to physical thing, and learn the difference between the physical sensation and the added thought patterns in a very real way.
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Postby Blue Garuda » Wed Oct 28, 2009 8:50 pm

We must remember that westerners are not used to these positions.

These postures were comfortable for those used to the seating customs of their own culture from childhood.

I spent years practising Japanese martial arts and we had to sit for long periods in seiza, then jump up and launch into vigorous activity. Pain, then more pain. Great fun, too! ;)

Another benefit to sitting on the floor is that in old age we are less likely to suffer as a result of falls etc.
Many westerners have not had to get up from the floor for decades. There is research showing this, but I can't recall it well enough to provide a link. Makes sense, though.


For a practical introduction to 'Zazen' I recommend:
''Shikantaza - an introduction to Zazen'
Edited and translated by: Shohaku Okumura
Published by: Kyoto Zen Centre

It may be out of print as I think I bought it in the mid 1980's .
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Re: Getting to Lotus Pose

Postby Chaz » Wed Oct 28, 2009 9:22 pm

Well, now for My Tale of Woe.

I started doing that stretching excercise last night.

Compared to the people demonstrating in the video, I have a very long way to go. A VERY long way. :tantrum:

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Re: Getting to Lotus Pose

Postby Luke » Sat Nov 07, 2009 10:51 pm

I. Baddha Kondasana
One of the key stretches to get to lotus seems to be Baddha Kondasana (or what I used to call "the Butterfly Stretch" in soccer practice and martial arts). This page has some great tips about this pose--especially at the bottom of the page
http://www.yogajournal.com/poses/486

It can be difficult to lower the knees toward the floor. If your knees are very high and your back rounded, be sure to sit on a high support, even as high as a foot off the floor.

I found this very useful because I have exactly this problem. Today I tried the pose while sitting on several cushions and I finally felt that I was in the "right" position to start making headway with this pose.

Something I'd never read before:
To understand the release of the heads of the thigh bones, fold two blankets and put one under each outer thigh, supporting the thighs an inch or so above their maximum stretch. Then lay a 10-pound sand bag on each inner groin, parallel to the crease between the thigh and pelvis. Release the thigh heads away from the weight, and let them sink into the blankets. Do not use the bags unless the thighs are supported.

II. Fire Log Pose
Here's another hip-opening pose which seems like it would be helpful for the lotus pose:
http://www.yogajournal.com/poses/2477

Here's a video of it:
http://www.wonderhowto.com/how-to/video ... se-254595/

III. Something I remember reading on another forum
Once when I was browsing another forum, I read that one man said that he was able to do the lotus pose only after he bought a low table to eat at, so he had to sit cross-legged frequently every day.

The other logical approach besides lowering your table would be to sit on something that was both high enough for the table and which gives you enough room to sit cross-legged. A large, apolstered footstool, like the kind that comes with big armchairs, might work.

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