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Need help identifying deity

Postby justsit » Sat Mar 05, 2011 10:06 pm

Rescued this old thangka at an estate auction. Can anyone identify the deity? It is yab yum, hard to see. Sorry for the poor photos, item is very faded and creased.

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Re: Need help identifying deity

Postby dakini_boi » Sun Mar 06, 2011 11:27 pm

Could it be Hayagriva? What is he holding?
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Re: Need help identifying deity

Postby justsit » Sun Mar 06, 2011 11:36 pm

Right hand is holding a dorje, only top half is visible. Left hand is empty, palm facing viewer, fingers pointing down.
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Re: Need help identifying deity

Postby gnegirl » Mon Mar 07, 2011 3:19 am

dakini_boi wrote:Could it be Hayagriva? What is he holding?


No, Hayagriva would have a horse's head coming out of his crown.
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Re: Need help identifying deity

Postby justsit » Mon Mar 28, 2011 12:34 am

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Re: Need help identifying deity

Postby Malcolm » Mon Mar 28, 2011 12:36 am

I think it is a Chinese Forgery. The deity seems to be a version of Guru Dragpo.
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Re: Need help identifying deity

Postby justsit » Mon Mar 28, 2011 12:58 am

OK, thanks.
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Re: Need help identifying deity

Postby Dhondrub » Mon Mar 28, 2011 11:09 am

looks like guru dragpo
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Re: Need help identifying deity

Postby Dexing » Mon Mar 28, 2011 11:13 am

I would say almost certainly Bodhisattva Vajrapāṇi who's name means Vajra Hand and is always depicted in this posture, and wearing the tiger skin lower garment.

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Re: Need help identifying deity

Postby Dhondrub » Mon Mar 28, 2011 11:36 am

Dexing wrote:I would say almost certainly Bodhisattva Vajrapāṇi who's name means Vajra Hand and is always depicted in this posture, and wearing the tiger skin lower garment.

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yes- but he is blue, while guru dragpo is seen in same stance with same mudras( sometimes with scorpio in the left) and same garments, but he is red!
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Re: Need help identifying deity

Postby Inge » Mon Mar 28, 2011 11:46 am

Dhondrub wrote:looks like guru dragpo

From what I have been told, Guru Drakpo has a nine-headed scorpion in his left hand.
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Re: Need help identifying deity

Postby Malcolm » Mon Mar 28, 2011 1:44 pm

Inge wrote:
Dhondrub wrote:looks like guru dragpo

From what I have been told, Guru Drakpo has a nine-headed scorpion in his left hand.



In these kinds of PRC fakes, they never get any of the details correct.
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Re: Need help identifying deity

Postby pemachophel » Mon Mar 28, 2011 3:39 pm

A long, long time ago, I managed my Teachers' Tibetan antique store in Greenwich Village for a number of years. During that time, I learned a lot about Tibetan art and antiques. Many people brought Tibetan art in to our shop to try to sell or to have appraised, and I sometimes consulted for the Tibetan wing at the Natural History Museum. This thangka does not look PRC-made to me. It looks decidedly Nepalese in terms of its geo-political provenance (not the ethnicity of its painter). My guess is that someone bought it back in the 70s, originally in Kathmandu, which would make sense for something showing up in a recent estate sale. The crudeness of the drawing and the quality of the paints are very reminiscent of what was coming out of Nepal during the heyday of the hippie era. It's possible that the thangka was painted in Dolpo or Lo Mantang. Frankly, I can't see the details of the iconography well enough to decide whether it is simply a bogus tourist knock-off or whether its from a very poor area in the southern Himalayas. Sometimes the old thangkas from the monasteries and temples in these areas show up on the market when those monasteries or temples commission new thangkas to spruce thing up. Just some observations based on past experience.
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Re: Need help identifying deity

Postby Malcolm » Mon Mar 28, 2011 5:05 pm

pemachophel wrote:This thangka does not look PRC-made to me.


I saw tons of thangkas of similar type when I was in Tibet in 2009 in tourist "Tibetan" shops run by Chinese merchants.
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