All Sentient Beings are equal?

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Re: All Sentient Beings are equal?

Postby Malcolm » Fri Mar 25, 2011 4:38 pm





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Re: All Sentient Beings are equal?

Postby Grigoris » Fri Mar 25, 2011 5:57 pm

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Re: All Sentient Beings are equal?

Postby David N. Snyder » Fri Mar 25, 2011 11:11 pm

All equal, in that all have Buddha nature.

But . . . . there does appear to be some hierarchy:

Buddha / Arahant (Killing a Buddha is one of the offenses making you ineligible for enlightenment in this life and destined for a hell realm in the next)
Humans (a parajika offense requiring expulsion from the Order for killing a human)
Large, Royal animals, such as elephants, lions, tigers (not allowed to be eaten even if offered)
Smaller animals (their flesh may be eaten, if offered to monks, nuns)
Insects (no prohibition for building construction and farming even though they may be killed indirectly)

All result in negative karma, but the 'effects' appear to be less as you go down on the above list (in the harming and / or killing of the above).
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Re: All Sentient Beings are equal?

Postby ground » Sat Mar 26, 2011 5:43 am

All beings are equal to the extent of coming and going.


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Re: All Sentient Beings are equal?

Postby LastLegend » Sat Mar 26, 2011 3:07 pm

NAMO AMITABHA
NAM MO A DI DA PHAT (VIETNAMESE)
NAMO AMITUOFO (CHINESE)

Bodhidharma [my translation]
―I come to the East to transmit this clear knowing mind without constructing any dharma―

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Re: All Sentient Beings are equal?

Postby ram peswani » Sat Mar 26, 2011 3:55 pm

How you are defining "vehicle" and how the Lotus Sutra uses it seem quite different.[/quote]


I have english translation of Lotus sutra translated by Burton Watson

One of its contents says that a committee of members specialised in english, chineses and Buddhism sat and translated this book

It translates the title as sutra of one vehical and talks also of greater vehical
But the translators write that no where this vehical or greater vehical has been described and we are not clear about it

The answer can come in meditation only and words may not clarify it fully.....yet an attempt for you

We human beings take birth after birth
and add or subtract in each birth.

Now suppose i take up the thought that all is nothing or nil. I watch with awareness my anger and do not give it any strength with any emotion
I watch love etc etc. and do not react. This way i am giving strength to the thought that all is Nothing.
A stage comes where this "Nothing" comes automatically without your effort. I call this the transcedence of cosmic energy of Nothing. If You have
heard about LI Honzgi of Falun Dafa, he calls it cultivation.

This word Nothing has gone into a different deeper plane. But do not stop there. Go on giving power to this word and the Word will go on transcending
to deeper and deeper planes till it reaches a place where the Truth is Nothing or Suniya or Zero. This word might have travelled hundred planes deeper.
When one dies, he leaves physical body on earth . Goes on leaving other bodies of emotions after rewards or punishments, and then he travels thro Wisdoms ( (Truths on different planes) till he reaches Suniata or Nothingness. This is his vehicle that he has developed. He can come down and take any lower plane by
his choice subsequently.
As soon as one has acquired any truth which goes above "Ego Plane" he becomes a Buddha.
All Boddhisattvas do not jump to Buddhahood deliberately. They may collect more than one Truth in their existence to help more sentients.
There are many " truths" on different planes and vehicles capability of each sentient is different.

GREATER VEHICAL IS VERY VERY DIFFICULT , ONE CAN ATTACH ONES SMALL VEHICLE TO ANY bHODDHISATTVA LIKE AMITABHA BY CHANTING HIS NAME WITH FULL AWARENESS

ALL BUDDHAS ABIDE IN EMPTINESS AND FOLLOW THE PATH OF ON GREATER VEHICLE.

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Re: All Sentient Beings are equal?

Postby LastLegend » Sat Mar 26, 2011 6:12 pm

NAMO AMITABHA
NAM MO A DI DA PHAT (VIETNAMESE)
NAMO AMITUOFO (CHINESE)

Bodhidharma [my translation]
―I come to the East to transmit this clear knowing mind without constructing any dharma―

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Re: All Sentient Beings are equal?

Postby Madeliaette » Sun Mar 27, 2011 2:26 pm

Having closely observed many pigeons for several years, I think some creatures other than human can learn/live Buddhism. (or maybe I just met a few Bodhisattvas in the form of pigeons....?) They might not have identical mental faculties, but they still have that SAME 'continuum' as humans - I truly believe that some creatures are more able than others to use their mental features more than we give them credit.
I view the spider in the corner, my son in his room, the Queen in her palace and the bird on the windowsill as EQUAL in rights to live and be happy - but not equal in shape, color, form, size, or mental/physical ability, etc. (I think the question of equality differs dependant on the 'WHAT' is equal or not factor...)

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Re: All Sentient Beings are equal?

Postby LastLegend » Sun Mar 27, 2011 2:45 pm

NAMO AMITABHA
NAM MO A DI DA PHAT (VIETNAMESE)
NAMO AMITUOFO (CHINESE)

Bodhidharma [my translation]
―I come to the East to transmit this clear knowing mind without constructing any dharma―

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Re: All Sentient Beings are equal?

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Re: All Sentient Beings are equal?

Postby Karma Yeshe » Thu Apr 21, 2011 8:32 pm

As I understand it -

Every sentient Being has Buddha Nature and thus the ability to progress to the point where they will become a fully Enlightened Being, a Buddha. also, because of the vast number of lives that we have all had, each and every Being that we come into contact with was, more than once, our mother. When looked at from this perspective we owe a great debt of thanks to all Beings and are thus reqiured to protect them from harm.

Certainly not evey Being has equal abilities in a realitive sense but an equal baseline starting point to become free of suffering.

What I find to be a difficult issue is this...

How far are we able to go the protect our Precious Human existance?

For example are we allowed to spray poisons to kill large numbers of insects or use mouse traps in a kitchen so that we do not become sick? And what steps should we take to help negate some of the Karma that we we aqiure for this type of action? Most troubleing of all, should we all be vegitarians expecialy in places like America and other developed contries that allow for a wide range of healthy food options without the need for meat?
What Is...What Was...What Could be...What must never Be.
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Something Old...Something New...Something Borrowed...Something Blue.
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Re: All Sentient Beings are equal?

Postby Grigoris » Sun Apr 24, 2011 10:03 am

Dualistic concepts of value (higher/lower) have no place within Buddhism. All sentient beings have been our mother (and will be) at some point in our endless cycling through samsara. As Bodhisattvas we should consider all sentient beings as higher than us and be willing to sacrifice even the flesh from our bodies for their well being! (Well that's the idea, anyway, I personally am still a long way off from that point, but the best we can do is try!)
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Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
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Re: All Sentient Beings are equal?

Postby adinatha » Sun Apr 24, 2011 2:44 pm

Sentient beings are not all equal, because of different capacities, fortunes, whether connected or disconnected to dharma, and, if so, their respective level of entry.
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