Finding and leaving the teacher ...

General forum on the teachings of all schools of Mahayana and Vajrayana Buddhism. Topics specific to one school are best posted in the appropriate sub-forum.
User avatar
ground
Posts: 1782
Joined: Mon Nov 23, 2009 8:31 am

Finding and leaving the teacher ...

Postby ground » Thu Mar 17, 2011 8:57 pm

In order to receive benefit, one has to find its source. Once benefit has been received the source of benefit should be left.

As soon as you have received benefit from a teacher, immediately leave him.

Never settle down.


Thoughts?


Kind regards
Last edited by ground on Thu Mar 17, 2011 9:06 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Blue Garuda
Posts: 1967
Joined: Fri Sep 04, 2009 5:23 pm

Re: Finding a teacher ...

Postby Blue Garuda » Thu Mar 17, 2011 9:04 pm

Left

User avatar
ground
Posts: 1782
Joined: Mon Nov 23, 2009 8:31 am

Re: Finding and leaving the teacher ...

Postby ground » Thu Mar 17, 2011 9:14 pm


Blue Garuda
Posts: 1967
Joined: Fri Sep 04, 2009 5:23 pm

Re: Finding and leaving the teacher ...

Postby Blue Garuda » Thu Mar 17, 2011 9:29 pm

What makes you think that this assertion is more valid within the Mahayana?

I see no difference.

Irrespective of the mind of the disciple. you cannot know the mind of the guru so cannot assume they have no more to offer.

That's why it is illogical. The premise is wrong.
Left

User avatar
ground
Posts: 1782
Joined: Mon Nov 23, 2009 8:31 am

Re: Finding and leaving the teacher ...

Postby ground » Thu Mar 17, 2011 9:34 pm


Blue Garuda
Posts: 1967
Joined: Fri Sep 04, 2009 5:23 pm

Re: Finding and leaving the teacher ...

Postby Blue Garuda » Thu Mar 17, 2011 9:46 pm

Left

User avatar
ground
Posts: 1782
Joined: Mon Nov 23, 2009 8:31 am

Re: Finding and leaving the teacher ...

Postby ground » Thu Mar 17, 2011 9:51 pm


Tilopa
Posts: 487
Joined: Sun Oct 17, 2010 3:53 am

Re: Finding and leaving the teacher ...

Postby Tilopa » Thu Mar 17, 2011 10:06 pm


Blue Garuda
Posts: 1967
Joined: Fri Sep 04, 2009 5:23 pm

Re: Finding and leaving the teacher ...

Postby Blue Garuda » Thu Mar 17, 2011 10:18 pm

Left

User avatar
Grigoris
Former staff member
Posts: 14670
Joined: Fri May 14, 2010 9:27 pm
Location: Greece

Re: Finding and leaving the teacher ...

Postby Grigoris » Thu Mar 17, 2011 11:18 pm

Don't feed the troll! Trolls thrive on the negative emotions they engender, this is detrimental to you and the troll. The question has been answered in another thread/forum so it does not need to be answered again.
:namaste:
"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
The Fundamental Tantra of Dzogchen Semde

Tilopa
Posts: 487
Joined: Sun Oct 17, 2010 3:53 am

Re: Finding and leaving the teacher ...

Postby Tilopa » Thu Mar 17, 2011 11:29 pm

Last edited by Tilopa on Thu Mar 17, 2011 11:45 pm, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
conebeckham
Posts: 4553
Joined: Mon Jun 14, 2010 11:49 pm
Location: Bay Area, CA, USA

Re: Finding and leaving the teacher ...

Postby conebeckham » Thu Mar 17, 2011 11:40 pm

In life, I usually find that if something is beneficial, I stick with it. If it stops being beneficial, or becomes detrimental, well, then, I leave it.


But hey, that's just me! TMingyur, you're free to do as you wish!
:shrug:


"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")

User avatar
Dexing
Posts: 420
Joined: Mon Jan 18, 2010 4:41 am

Re: Finding and leaving the teacher ...

Postby Dexing » Fri Mar 18, 2011 2:54 am

nopalabhyate...

User avatar
ground
Posts: 1782
Joined: Mon Nov 23, 2009 8:31 am

Re: Finding and leaving the teacher ...

Postby ground » Fri Mar 18, 2011 3:52 am

Last edited by ground on Fri Mar 18, 2011 3:54 am, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
Adamantine
Former staff member
Posts: 3664
Joined: Tue Feb 08, 2011 7:09 am
Location: Space is the Place

Re: Finding and leaving the teacher ...

Postby Adamantine » Fri Mar 18, 2011 3:54 am

I am not sure if Tmingyur means something along the lines of "If you see the Buddha in the road, kill him."
It doesn't quite seem that way. But if he was riffing on that idea, then it is about not getting attached to an external representation of "Buddha", outside of one's own mind, right? But then Tmingyur also has problems with the notion of "Buddha Nature", so that can't be what he's getting at. :shrug:

The thing about having a realized being (Bodhisattva, Buddha, etc.) show us the kindness of
overseeing our purification, is that whenever we begin to cling to one thing or another, even at a certain point the outer form of the teacher themselves, a true teacher will always immediately assist you in cutting that tendency. But as for this latter type of clinging, this is only an obstruction once one has actually achieved a very advanced level of realization, -when one's mind is truly no different from the Guru, or Buddha himself. At that point looking myopically to the external teacher is just another habitual tendency. But for most of us, we are at the stage where we need to cultivate precisely great devotion, respect, gratitude and pure-vision towards our teachers, especially if they are our Vajra Gurus. . . and to put great trust in them, rather then our own deeply ingrained habitual emotional and intellectual traps. This is the only way to begin the practice of Guru yoga, which is the essence of the path, where our minds can actually merge with the wisdom minds of our teachers. This is, of course, a Vajrayana belief. But Vajrayana is the natural extension of Mahayana, it is still Mahayana in essence. So I don't believe the Mahayana systems differ in many respects on this point. Looking at Zen Roshi's and their relationship to disciples, for example, there seems to be a lot in common. What Mahayana tradition is there where teachers are viewed as disposable? :?:
Contentment is the ultimate wealth;
Detachment is the final happiness. ~Sri Saraha

User avatar
ground
Posts: 1782
Joined: Mon Nov 23, 2009 8:31 am

Re: Finding and leaving the teacher ...

Postby ground » Fri Mar 18, 2011 4:01 am


User avatar
Dexing
Posts: 420
Joined: Mon Jan 18, 2010 4:41 am

Re: Finding and leaving the teacher ...

Postby Dexing » Fri Mar 18, 2011 4:19 am

nopalabhyate...

User avatar
ground
Posts: 1782
Joined: Mon Nov 23, 2009 8:31 am

Re: Finding and leaving the teacher ...

Postby ground » Fri Mar 18, 2011 4:33 am


User avatar
Adamantine
Former staff member
Posts: 3664
Joined: Tue Feb 08, 2011 7:09 am
Location: Space is the Place

Re: Finding and leaving the teacher ...

Postby Adamantine » Fri Mar 18, 2011 5:33 am

Contentment is the ultimate wealth;
Detachment is the final happiness. ~Sri Saraha

User avatar
Dexing
Posts: 420
Joined: Mon Jan 18, 2010 4:41 am

Re: Finding and leaving the teacher ...

Postby Dexing » Fri Mar 18, 2011 5:35 am

nopalabhyate...


Return to “Mahāyāna Buddhism”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Google [Bot] and 21 guests