I agree it seems clear that Lama Tsongkhapa received Dzogchen instructions from his Nyingma lama. I have never heard that he passed them on.... Conebeck, you say there are indications that he taught Dzogchen, but not publicly... would you care to share those indications with us, please?
Nangwa wrote:Nonsense again.
Read the original texts and you will find that this interpretation is unorthodox at the very least.
That doesn't necessarily diminish its effectiveness for individuals of certain leanings etc. but to assert that it is an absolute goes way too far.
We must be realistic in admitting that there are many different interpretations of these texts, it is not a simple matter of "reading them" and gaining clear certainty, is it? Otherwise why would there be so many respected masters debating the same texts? Orthodoxy is relative to those in whom you impute authority...what is orthodox in Kagyu is unorthodox in Sakya, and so on...
As for whos interpretation of the madhyamaka views is "correct," can't we just say they are different, or function in different ways? Otherwise, I don't see how one could claim the mantle of a non-sectarian view? There are points that may be disputed, but if we try to say one another's views are incorrect, I think we are off the mark by quite a bit.
I was mistaken about the Jigme Lingpa connection with this particular lama.
It is interesting in the context of this discussion to not that Jigme Lingpa himself understood and presented the view from the point of view of Je Tsongkhapa's presentation, so we must accept that the view of Lama Tsongkhapa and the view of Dzogchen are harmonious at very least.