Question: AntiNirvana Concept

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Question: AntiNirvana Concept

Postby Nosta » Tue Mar 15, 2011 12:48 am

I am wondering if there is anything in Buddhism like a AntiNirvana concept. A deep state of the 3 roots of evil for example, so deep that reaching Nirvana is something never possible to afford; a state where you cant get out anymore.


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Re: Question: AntiNirvana Concept

Postby KeithBC » Tue Mar 15, 2011 1:28 am

No. There are hell realms, but they are not forever. (They just feel like it ;) ) Once your bad karma is used up, you're reborn somewhere else.

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Re: Question: AntiNirvana Concept

Postby Dexing » Tue Mar 15, 2011 3:09 am

There is the concept of the icchantikas, who are said to be completely devoid of wholesome dharmas, and can never attain Nirvāna through their own power. However, in the Laṅkāvatāra Sūtra the Buddha states;

    "Again, Mahamati said; Who, Blessed One, would never enter Nirvana?

    The Blessed One replied: Knowing that all things are in Nirvana itself from the very beginning, the Bodhisattva-Icchantika would never enter Nirvana. But those Icchantikas who have forsaken all the stock of merit [finally] do. Those Icchantikas, Mahamati, who have forsaken all the stock of merit might some day be influenced by the power of the Tathagatas and be induced at any moment to foster the stock of merit. Why? Because, Mahamati, no beings are left aside by the Tathagatas. For this reason, Mahamati, it is the Bodhisattva-Icchantika who never enters into Nirvana."


The Bodhisattva-icchantika is the only one who never enters into NIrvāna, but this is not due to lacking wholesome dharmas, but due to a vow to continue liberating others!

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Re: Question: AntiNirvana Concept

Postby plwk » Tue Mar 15, 2011 3:29 am

http://www.sutrasmantras.info/glossary.html
icchantika (一闡提迦). One who has cut off one’s roots of goodness and has no desire for Buddhahood.
However, Buddhas do not abandon any sentient being and, through their spiritual power, an icchantika may replant his roots of goodness through causes and conditions in a future life and eventually attain Buddhahood. A Bodhisattva who has made a vow not to become a Buddha until all sentient beings have been delivered is called an icchantika of great compassion.

See also:
1 2: CHAPTER TWO. COLLECTION OF ALL THE DHARMAS: XXII. Two Classes of the Icchantika 3 4
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Re: Question: AntiNirvana Concept

Postby Nosta » Tue Mar 15, 2011 11:53 pm

So, eventually such Boddhisattvas will reach Nirvana too and that means that there is no one that wont be saved (giving lots of kalpas of life of course).
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