The image of the seed and the fruit.

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The image of the seed and the fruit.

Postby Inge » Wed Mar 09, 2011 6:19 pm

In buddhist teaching the image of the seed and the fruit is often utilized to illustrate cause and result.

For instance receiving empowerment might be refered to as planting the seed of Buddhahood. A seed that will sprout when the conditions are right, and then ripen into the fruit of Buddhahood.


In the case of seeds: if a fertile seed is planted it will generally sprout when the conditions are right, and then ripen into a type of fruit that corresponds to the type of seed. It is not the case that the seed turns into something completely different then its corresponding plant and fruit.

Therefore if the seed and fruit image is correct, I think that having planted the seed of Buddhahood by receiving empowerment, this seed should not be able to ripen into a fruit that is something completely different than Buddhahood. I think that if the different conditions that is needed for the seed to grow - in the case of empoweremnt this could be for instance keeping vows and fulfilling commitments - then it will certainly grow and ripen into the fruit. If the conditions are not met the worst thing that can happen is that the seed will not grow. Therfore i think that to not foster the conditins for the seed to grow, by not keeping the vows and fulfilling commitments, the worst thing that can happen is that the seed will not grow into Buddhahood. It will not be the case that it grows and ripens into something completely different, like the experience of the worst possible hellish realm for countless eons.

Do you think this is faulty?

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Re: The image of the seed and the fruit.

Postby Pero » Fri Mar 11, 2011 7:15 pm

Although many individuals in this age appear to be merely indulging their worldly desires, one does not have the capacity to judge them, so it is best to train in pure vision.
- Shabkar

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Re: The image of the seed and the fruit.

Postby pemachophel » Fri Mar 11, 2011 9:09 pm

Or scorched and, therefore, nonfunctional
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Re: The image of the seed and the fruit.

Postby Inge » Sun Mar 13, 2011 11:00 pm


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Re: The image of the seed and the fruit.

Postby Inge » Sun Mar 13, 2011 11:27 pm

In the following quote Bardor Tulku Rinpoche also explains samaya as an opportunity more than a restriction:

"Marriage is a mundane, social contract. The contract of samaya is something entirely different. It is not primarily an obligation. It is an opportunity. It is more of an opportunity or gift than a restriction. The point of samaya is that a connection has been established between a guru and a disciple. The establishment of this connection gives the disciple the opportunity to cultivate faith and devotion for their guru. The establishment of the connection does not mean that the disciple is obligated to cultivate faith and devotion for their guru. It means that, without that connection, they do not really have the same opportunity. It is not the case that once samaya has been undertaken, that it is, henceforth, illegal for that disciple to fail to cultivate sufficient faith and devotion."

From a teaching on the Clear Guide for the Generation Stage given by Bardor Tulku Rinpoche at Kunzang Palchen Ling in September 2010 - http://kunzang.org/kplblog/2010/09/30/about-samaya/

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Re: The image of the seed and the fruit.

Postby Pero » Sun Mar 13, 2011 11:39 pm

Although many individuals in this age appear to be merely indulging their worldly desires, one does not have the capacity to judge them, so it is best to train in pure vision.
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Re: The image of the seed and the fruit.

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Re: The image of the seed and the fruit.

Postby Pero » Sun Mar 13, 2011 11:55 pm

Although many individuals in this age appear to be merely indulging their worldly desires, one does not have the capacity to judge them, so it is best to train in pure vision.
- Shabkar


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