Pema Rigdzin wrote:
muni wrote:No separation Dzogchen-Dzogchenpa. practice= to "remain" in nondual awareness, no any practioner-practice separation can be. No self-spot taint wholeness, no striving can be. Other Yoga tool may help.
Yes yes, we all get this, but does this mean to you that Kuntuzangpo's Dzogchen teachings are untrue? Namely, that "there is one basis but two paths: rigpa and marigpa"? Is it not as Kuntuzangpo has said, that with marigpa, beings wander through the six realms?
I have here the words of Dzongzar Rinpoche on the wall, not that they are asked, still:
Alll compounded things are impermanent
All emotions are pain
All things have no inherent existence
Nirvana is beyond concept.
Only conceptual analysis sees true/not true, contradictions. Elaborating thoughts about, exhausting intellectual thoughts and emotions cannot recognize emptiness. Coarse mind cannot be in empty play, only awareness. awareness in empty play is nothing to reject nor to accept.
Once I learned swimming. Putted feet in the water, aah, so cold. Then I was pushed in the water and got to hear: chin up, legs so, arms so. Oh well i thought, cannot manage that all at once, cannot do that...struggling...blub blub blub. Than I said: stop talking now. Went back in the water, not following bla bla mind, just swimming aware in empty vastness of water.
To elaborate about how Dzogchen exactly is, is ma rigpa and competition in debate turns far away from relax nonduality.
To be aware of emotions, thoughts, to be aware of their emptiness, than mind cannot get lost in following them and cannot rush out to an object in deluded action.
Dear Pema, I think there is no way to explain Dzogchen by these limited words. Like a recipe for bread is not filling a stomach.